Which Fr�lad = which Beatle?

This is an idea I came up with in the hiatus thread, when someone said that fruvous needs an abbey road. and then we started talking about a yoko ono and a murder, etc etc. . .so. . .not that you can really COMPARE the guys, but which of them is closest to which of them? (yeah *that* made sense. . you know what i mean) here's what i think: Dave: George (the musicality) Jian: Ringo (the theatrics) Murray: John (the musicality/lyrics) Mike: Paul (not quite sure why)

I would have considered Murray to be the Ringo because of the comparative number of songs contributed. Dave as George I agree with. Don't really know where I stand on the other two. Probably Mike with John and Jian with Paul.

I agree with Andrea, I like her choices.

word.

This is what I get for not paying attention!

My opinion is as follows
Dave = John (Because they both wrote my favourite songs, and Dave has a kick arse solo album)
Jian = Ringo... although better looking and can actually write music. PLUS Jian has a TV show and Ringo was on Thomas the Tank Engine. Oh, and they both have weird names.
Murray and Mike... see, I have issues there. My gut instinct told me to put Mike as Paul and Murray as George... so I'll go with that. Mike just seems like the McCartney type... plus, they're both family men. Meh, I don't know. I like them both!

hmmm...comparisons are indeed a tricky thing, my opinion, (which all of you are very welcome to disregard), is
Jian=John, (Jian seems to stand out in the group, as does John, and they both start with J and end in N, coincidence? I think not!) Dave=George, (indeed, I agree about the musicality), Mike=Ringo, (no good reason comes to mind), and Murray=Paul,(reason may come up in a later post)

Dave=Paul
Mike=John
Murray=George
Jian=Ringo

Dave and Mike write a lot of the songs and sing a lot of the leads, with very Paul-like and John-like voices, respectively. Murray doesn't sing or write much, but when he does, it's beautiful and amazing (and he's the quiet one). Jian can't really sing or play the drums that well, just like Ringo.

EDIT: I don't mean to say that Jian or Ringo is bad, just... only adequate as musicians.

Actually, I think Jian is a pretty good drummer.

yeah. . .i think he sings pretty well too. . .although Dave's voice is my favorite of all of them.

i think i might have to agree with you, lawrence on the murray=george, because of the frequency of writing music, but the quality of the songs when they DO write the music.

actually i think dave=john for me because i always for some reason considered him "the leader," and it's kind of the same way with john. plus both dave and john went on to do great solo stuff.

jian is still SO ringo. . just b/c of the drumming, the wildness, the funny names. . the theatrics. being sort of "the sillly" member of the band

and yeah, mike = paul b/c of being a "family man"

he's more of a timekeeper. maybe that's because of the limitations of playing standing up, and we just can't see that he has skill in actually playing a drum kit, but even then, his style is extremely simple. it sounds like a better drummer should be able to do more with what's available than he does.

of course, he's still better at playing the drum kit than Brian Rosenworcel is. but... that's not saying much.

Exactly the reason he (Brian) needs to stick to the hand drums.

Exactly the reason he (Brian) needs to stick to the hand drums.

no, no sticks. hands! :)

or were you suggesting gluing him to his congas?

see, i think the great thing about fruvous is that none of them is particularly outstanding as a musician (don't hit me!). i mean, they're all really excellent at what they do, but there's none of the virtuoso arrogance and overshadowing that happens when one of the band's members is a brilliant instrumentalist. i think jian's drumming is fine just the way it is - it's correct, it's musical and it's entertaining without taking the focus away from the rest of the band. :)

I think you are very correct with that. Jian's drumming doesn't get in the way at all. A lot of us can remember how to play the guitar parts and bass parts to a song, but the drum parts? The only drum part that really sticks out is Splatter Splatter. The drums stay in the background and just serve as a time keeper. That's all you can really ask.

I think I disagree on at least part of this point. I think Dave is an outstanding musician. He can even be a bit of a showoff at times, especially live. I think it works, however, because when he does that, the others pull out the stops in their own ways to balance.

Word.

And that's not even as good as the 99 ann arbor show, after which people just sat in stunned silence.
It's also the only time I've heard the applause after a mid-song solo delay the next verse.
Heh.

I don't know if I have a copy of that show... :/

Another version that comes to my head is the Somerville Theatre show back when the "no taping" sets were in effect.

I'll swing ya a copy if you like.
I'll try and bring it to russell's show this weekend (which I now may be able to attend! yay!!!)

Technically, the drummer is considered the band leader, in the fact that everyone else will defer to the drummer for the starts and finishes of songs, tempo changes, and feel changes. If your band's drummer sucks, I don't care if you've got the greatest guitar players and singers in your band, your band will suck.

This is why the drummer is doing its job when it can keep time well, can groove well, and know the form of the song well, with cues to let the other band members know where the form of the song is. I don't care about massive drum fills, that's just window dressing. Of course, then again, there's Mike Portnoy. :)

Best drummer award?

One vote for Tim "Herb" Alexander.

I agree. I don't know that much about drumming but I do know a lot about music, being a music major and all, and I think he's a pretty good drummer. Also, playing the drums and singing at the same time takes a great deal of coordination and rhythmic skill. I don't think I could do it...but then I've never tried...mostly because arias don't usually involve drum tracks.

*looks into getting a drum set to test coordination*

Oh yeah, and I love his voice! (Although I think he needs to be a bit more careful with it.)

I agree with Lawrence.

And as for why Jian = Ringo, one need look no farther than the noses.

::snork::

yes! i was gonna say that!!

but the beatles are british. they all have big noses. look at john.

and me! and me! *jumps up and down*

Dave and Mike write a lot of the songs and sing a lot of the leads

I think you are living in the past, Lawrence. Near the end there it was ALL ABOUT the Jian Show. It seemed to me like he wrote or at least sang everything. I remember people complaining about how Jian-heavy the shows were becoming. From the writing-singing perspective (at least circa 2000-2001), I think Jian is clearly Paul (lots of lead, lots of sappy love balads)

You'd think that people would have had enough of silly love songs...

...but I look around me and I see it isn't so...oh no...

*grin*

looking at setlists from the last few shows before the hiatus, it looks like it was a near even split between Jian, Mike and Dave, sometimes weighted more in favour of any of the three.

I counted leads over a few shows in 1998 and found that Jian and Mike were tied and Dave was a tiny bit behind.

Well, Jian is the main soundboard of the group. He's the one who starts most of the stage banter, he's the one who tells you that Fruvous is a grass-roots thing and you should sign up on the mailing list, buy CDs, Fruvous.com, yada yada yada. In this regard, it does seem like Jian is the leader of the band. But in terms of songs, it does seems evenly dispersed between Jian, Mike and Dave.

Paul of DVN falls into the category of soundboard of the group, even though the stage banter is evenly distributed among the four.

For Eddie From Ohio, I would have to say Robbie is the soundboard, even though Mike talks more than Robbie generally. Julie says a few things here and there, and the world stops when Eddie speaks. :)

Jian IS the leader of the band. (In his head) :)

I know we've talked about this more than once before. I think usually I end up saying they just don't map well

Anyway the big question is, who maps to Pete Best?

You.

your mom

Holy crap!
My mom is pete best?!

Actually they all map to Murray

Paul = the cute one = Murray
John = smart one = Murray
George = quiet one = Murray
Ringo = Ok this one doesn't really work but we don't want Ringo to feel left out.

Ringo = the one with two syllables in his name, encompassing two vowels and three unique consonants = Murray

and this is why I love melissa :)

*warm fuzzies!!*

Yes it does!

Ringo=the one that gets made fun of on stage=Murray.

Jian is most like Paul...


...but he thinks he's John.

Sorry, I tried not to say it, but it's just so hard to resist sometimes ;-)

(Although, if I had to, I really would place Jian as a combination of the two)


The others don't quite map as well. I think the band and albums can map with some accuracy, but the individual members spread out too differently.

This all reminds me of the worlds worst motivational speaker I once had to sit through. Half of his thing was how to relate all people to one of the Beatles, and then how to control them.

Ok I know I shouldn't do this again, but I can't resist. This Fruvous -Beatles thing is another continually resurfacing topic. We've done this one several times over the years. Here is an excerpt from the first time that I'm aware of. This is me replying to somebody named A.J. Fynan replying to Hugo. The date is January 1996...

On 24 Jan 1996 15:01:42 -0500, AJ Fynan ([email protected]) wrote:
: A few days ago [email protected] (Hugo Rodrigues) shared his thoughts:
: > [ ... ] when she said that the Frufour resemble
: > the Fabfour.. ie: The Beatles..
: >That put my mind in gear... not only to they resemble then
: >harmonically, but in their public personalities too.. Looking
: >at them personality-wise.. tell me what you think..
: > Jean -- Paul McCartney Mike -- George Harrison
: > Dave -- John Lennon Murray -- Ringo
: >I would have to argue myself on that Jean - Paul / Dave - John
: >thing.. it depends on the time of day... but Mike is definately
: >a George and Murray is no doubt a Ringo -- never says much but
: >always says something that knocks you off your feet...
: While, to some extent I can see your comparisons, (even adding that both
: Ringo and Murray have the deepest voices in their respected bands) other
: than the fact that each band has (had) four members and that they are all
: male (oh Yoko...) the more I think about it, the more I see differences
: in each band. Of course, I'm not going to say one is "better" than the
: other (and who needs another flame war anyway?). I just think that would
: be like saying "This apple is better than this orange."

Well I can't even see the point in making such a comparison, because it
is just that--apples and oranges. However were I to try to figure out
which Frulad should play which Beatle in the upcoming CBC special "the
beatles: the Canadian Connection" I would disagree with the above poster.

Clearly...

Mike would be John
Jean would be Paul (unless Dave was already)
Dave would be George
and Murry would be Ringo

Except...

Jean is the drummer and has the Biggest nose, so he should be Ringo
Mike is the oldest so he should be Ringo and
Murray is the quietest so he should be George
Maybe Dave should be John and Paul?

This way lies madness....

A.J. (but not the AJ whose post I'm answering)
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lol... Jean

*giggle*

that's what i thought. :D

John=Jian, because he is so politcal
Paul=Dave, because of his pop sencabilities
George=Murray, the quiet genious
Ringo=Mike because they are both cute and crazy

Pete Best=Reno, Trandy Jones, and Steven Lanoe, AKA Tall New Buildings!

See also:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?W296265A5 Feb, 1999

http://makeashorterlink.com/?N2C6525A5 May, 2000

It's so true! I can't help but notice the musical similarities when listening to Thornhill. However, sadly, I don't know enough about the Beatles to try to compare them.

yeah and Poor Mary Lane is soooo beatlesy (which is on wood)

http://world.std.com/~muffin/moxy/

that is wonderful!!

Jian is a ladybug! :)