Live Fruvous Bit Torrents... While They're Hot!

I'm seeding a few shows via Bit Torrent in SHN format.� I'll followup to myself with some detais as to what the hell this is, and how to download the shows.

Some links in the mean time:
Info from ETree: http://bt.etree.org/
BitTorrent Intro: http://www.bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/introduction.html
BitTorrent FAQ: http://www.bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/FAQ.html
Links to SHN software: http://www.etree.org/software.html

Jason's quick mini-faq:

1 - What's Bit Torrent? - Bit Torrent is a peer-to-peer network to share content... in this case, Fruvous shows.� Bit Torrent software is free, the downloads are typically very fast (if you have broadband cable/dsl/t1/etc), and the client is NOT spyware.� Since the content can be legally shared, the RIAA won't be knocking on your door.� One more important thing to note is that Bit Torrents are fast because all the folks downloading simultaniously are sharing the pieces they've received with others who are also downloading the same content.� The upside is that they're fast when lots of people are on at once.� The downside is that they effectively 'die' after a while... typically a few days or more.

2 - What's an SHN?� SHN is a data compression format that compresses WAV audio files approximately 2:1.� Unlike MP3 compression which is "lossy", SHN files can be extracted to WAV format which are absolutely identical to the original.� In this case, you're downloading CD-quality audio in exactly the same format it was recorded in on the original DAT tapes.� Burn it to CD and you've got what I have... no loss at all.� Upside - super quality.� Downside - still kinda big files to download.

3 - What software do I need? You need two basic pieces:
A) a Bit Torrent client.� The official client can be downloaded from bitconjurer.org (link above) or for better results (especially for dealing with multiple torrents at once) check out either ABC http://pingpong-abc.sourceforge.net/download.html�or TorrentStorm http://www.torrentstorm.com/pages/downloadfile.php?downloadid=2
B) software to decompress SHNs to WAV files (so you can burn them to CDR using any popular CD burning software... hopefully you've got that already!
Check out etree's links at http://www.etree.org/software.html� In general, for Windows PCs, I would recommend mkwACT.
If you happen to use Nero for burning CDRs, there's a plugin available to let you burn audio directly from the SHN files (decompressing "on-the-fly").� http://neroplugins.cd-rw.org/files/nxmyshn.zip� There are also SHN plugins for popular players like Winamp so you can just play the files right from your PC if you want without decompressing.

That's it for now... more shows comin' soon... one "partially untraded" gem tonight.� </tease>

- Jason

what do you mean "they effectively 'die' after a while...."?

Since Bit Torrents are a peer-to-peer sharing network,�at least one person/computer �needs to be "seeding" the show (content) in order for someone else to download it.� Speaking broadly, you're only seeding as long as you keep the SHN content on your machine, and keep the Bit Torrent client window open.� Unlike some other peer-to-peer networks, it's VERY clear what content you're sharing with others at any given time.� Folks just don't keep sharing for very long after they've completed downloading... the kindest ones might keep a window open for several days, so some torrents may go strong for a couple weeks, but generally the content becomes unavailable a few days after it is announced.� Of course, someone, be it the original seeder or any other kind person, could purposely keep the torrent alive for MUCH longer, but it's not common.

Upshot... if you see a Bit Torrent announced and the content looks appealing, jump on it soon or it may be hard to get.

Format: SHN
Size: 588.01MB
Details: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=1250
Torrent File: http://bt.etree.org/download.php/1250/mfruvous1998-03-08.shnf.torrent

Moxy Fruvous
March 8, 1998
Iron Horse Music Hall
Northampton, MA

Taper: Jason Reiser <SharingTheGroove at ecoutez dot com>
Source: Aud/SBD Matrix : Microtech Gefell M300 > Mackie 1202-VLZ > Zefiro InBox > Sony TCD-D8
DAT > SHN: Tascam DA-30mkII > Zefiro ZA-2 > WinNT4 PC > CD Wave 1.9 > mkwACT 0.96f

Note: previously traded CDRs from this source had some diginoise.
This is a fresh conversion and is basically flawless.

Show Review: http://www.fruvous.com/98rev/980308.html


Disc 1 of 2 Total: 54:43:74

01 Intro 01:29:25
02 Poor Napoleon # 03:03:20
03 Love Set Fire 05:06:60
04 The Present Tense Tureen 06:17:52
05 Misplaced 05:24:17
06 Mistra Know-it-All $ 04:07:02
07 Space Cushion, Goal Judge (improv) 05:40:71
08 Horseshoes 06:13:35
09 You Will Go to the Moon 04:28:61
10 The Kids' Song 03:17:34
11 Minnie the Moocher % 08:29:57
12 Beth (tease) & 01:03:15


Disc 2 of 2 Total: 56:26:14

01 Michigan Militia 05:23:59
02 Johnny Saucep'n 02:12:06
03 Pete's Wicked, Brattle Street (improv) 01:55:26
04 No No Raja 02:48:59
05 Spiderman (instrumental) 00:49:38
06 Jockey Full of Bourbon * 03:09:20
07 Video Bargainville 04:20:36
08 We'll Never Be yeP! (improv) 03:30:66
09 Get In The Car 02:32:74
10 Your New Boyfriend 02:16:15
11 BBC @ 02:23:56
12 Psycho Killer + 08:44:47
13 Suddenly Seymore (tease) ^ 01:44:41
14 My Baby Loves a Bunch of Authors 02:35:15
15 River Valley 06:03:16
16 The Drinking Song (off-mic, from the balcony) 05:53:40


# Elvis Costello cover
$ Stevie Wonder cover
% Mills-Calloway cover
& Kiss cover
* Tom Waits cover
@ Ming Tea cover (from Austin Powers)
+ Talking Heads cover
^ Alan Menken & Howard Ashman cover (from Little Shop of Horrors)

Format: SHN
Size: 401.92MB
Discussion: (copy/paste the link... otherwise it won't work...)http://www.sharingthegroove.org/msgboard/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28722
Torrent: http://www.acousticville.org/files/mfruvous1998-05-02.shnf.torrent

Moxy Fruvous
May 2, 1998
Amherst College
Amherst, MA

Taper: Jason Reiser <SharingTheGroove at ecoutez dot com>
Source: Microtech Gefell M300 > Beyerdynamic MV100 > Sony TCD-D8
DAT > SHN: Tascam DA-30mkII > Zefiro ZA-2 > WinNT4 PC > CD Wave 1.9 > mkwACT 0.96f

Notes: Moxy Fruvous performed with The Nields at an outdoor concert.
See http://www.sharingthegroove.org/msg...;threadid=28723 for The Nields' set. (copy/paste the URL... linking won't work to this site)

Disc 1 of 1 Total: 72:27:40

01 Please, Please Me (tease) # 03:57:55
02 My Baby Loves a Bunch of Authors 02:37:54
03 River Valley 03:15:11
04 Get in the Car 02:50:53
05 Policeman Outside of the Tent (improv) 04:39:41
06 Horseshoes 05:44:63
07 I Love My Boss (Off mic) 03:58:35
08 Spiderman (off mic) 02:55:42
09 Sad Girl 03:20:52
10 Boo Time 03:54:46
11 Jockey Full of Bourbon $ 03:15:38
12 Video Bargainville 07:54:42
13 Michigan Militia 03:11:46
14 Signed, Sealed, Delivered % 08:28:66
15 King of Spain 02:51:65
16 Green Eggs & Ham (short version) 04:42:47
17 Brown Eyed Girl & 04:45:34

# by The Beatles
$ by Tom Waits
% by Stevie Wonder
& by Van Morrison


Show review avail at: http://www.fruvous.com/98rev/980502.html

I'm home for 5 days and can't leech any torrents until I get home. *siiiiiigh*

Don't worry, Ellen. I plan on keeping them up that long, anyway... And if I can't, I could probably be convinced to send you CDs. :-)

Hee. Thanks so much. I take this as a belated christmas gift:)
Worked like a charm (Bittorrent always does;-)

Please keep these up until I get back home next week!� I want these shows, and I'll be willing to leave a Torrent window open on my machine for a while for others.

No problem at all. I've intended to do this anyway:)
Enjoy!

Can we set up a Bit-Torrent forum on this site so that many of us can upload shows to be downloaded?� Many of us would love to have Fruvous shows we don't currently have.

Well, we could set up our own tracker, but the nice thing about using etree's tracker is that the shows get exposed to a much wider audience.� The show I put on etree got about twice as many downloads as the one that was on another tracker.� Also, etree's will allow anyone to download the torrent file from their website.

Were you suggesting our own tracker, or just the ability to upload .torrent files to be downloaded, regardless of where they're being tracked?� You're welcome to use my tracker at acousticville.org if you want... or another copy to be installed elsewhere like on fruhead.com or fruvous.com.

- Jason

Is it at all possible for Mac Users to get a hold of these things? :o(

Of course... the links above would lead you to the info, or try these directly:
xACT or Shorten: http://www.etree.org/macos.html#download
BitTorrent Client: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bittorrent/BitTorrent_OSX_3.3a.dmg?download

Yup, the Mac version of BitTorrent works beautifully. Actually it seems to work better than my PC version does. ;)

Glad to see some mac users out there. After getting the Bittorrent file, try using xAct for decoding:

look here

According to my experiences TorrentStorm works way better on a PC ;-)

Moxy Fr�vous
2000 08 30
Milestone's Music Room
Rochester, NY

Format: SHN

Size:764MB

Discussion: http://www.sharingthegroove.org/msgboard/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30784� (copy and paste into broswer window)

Torrent: http://www.sharingthegroove.org/msgboard/attachment.php?s=&postid=325914

Short review can be found at: http://www.fruvous.com/00rev/000830.html

Source:
AKG C1000s > Denecke PS2 > Sony SBM-1 > Sony TCD-D8

Conversion:
Sony TCD-D8 -> M-Audio 2448 -> Cool edit 96 -> CDWav -> EAC -> SHN (no EAC)

Disc 1:
01. Introduction
02. Nowhere Man
03. Banter
04. Half As Much
05. Horseshoes
06. Banter/Ziggy Stardust tease
07. Heatseeker Boy
08. Banter
09. Sad Girl
10. Lazy Boy
11. Kick in the Ass
12. Norbals tease/Pisco Intro
13. Pisco Bandito
14. Boo Time
15. Banter
16. Video Bargainville (disco version)
17. Banter
18. The Present Tense Tureen
19. Entropy/Energy teases
20. Guinea Pig
21. Banter
22. Poor Napoleon
23. Fly

Disc 2:
01. My Poor Generation
02. King of Spain Intro
03. King of Spain
04. Green Eggs and Ham
05. My Baby Loves a Bunch of Authors
06. Get in the Car
07. Banter/Psycho Killer Intro
08. Psycho Killer
Encore:
09. Michigan Militia
10. Special Guest Star Banter
11. Some Kind of Wonderful (With Colin Stanutz and Dave Tobey)
12. Believe
13. How Much I Think of You

Taper:
Daniel Godwin

Transfer:
Daniel Godwin

Minor Edits:
5 second fades in/out beg/end of Show

Notes:
First of three nights at Milestone's in Rochester, NY. One of the last sets of shows Moxy Fr�vous has performed to date.
The band was very talkative in the first half of the show, hence the large number of "banter" tracks.
Sorry about the EAC, but I'm too lazy to retransfer the DAT. Questions, email me at [email protected]

Could you or someone post the torrent file in a place where it's not necessary to create an account to access it?

right-click and save-as

[edit = if that doesn't work... go here ]

Umm.. that's weird.
Josh, why did fhdc edit my link?

Thanks Nate!��� Sorry Josh, I just went with what looked easiest as this was my first bit torrent seed.�

It's an anti-spam measure in Entropy. On the sites which allow anonymous posting (such as joshw.org), it kills the incentive to spam. There've been a few spams here, too.

Cool, thanks for the file mirror. And woohoo, I'm getting 400k download rates.

Format: SHN
Size: 730.74 MB
Tracker Details: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=1437
Torrent Download: http://bt.etree.org/download.php/1437/mfruvous2000-07-25.shnf.torrent

This seemed particularly timely given George Pataki's posthumous pardon of Lenny Bruce last week.� Easily one of my favorite shows...

Moxy Fruvous
July 25, 2000
The Bottom Line
New York, NY

Taper: Jason Reiser <[email protected]>
Source: Schoeps MK4 > Sonsoax SX-M2/ls > Sony SBM-1 > Sony TCD-D8
(mics in ORTF clipped to the front right pillar)
DAT > SHN: Tascam DA-30mkII > Zefiro ZA-2 > WinNT4 PC > CD Wave 1.9 > mkwACT 0.96f

Notes: Show Review available at http://www.fruvous.com/00rev/000725.html


Disc 1 of 2 Total: 66:10:12

01 Show Intro... 00:46:60
02 Down From Above 04:46:34
03 Horseshoes 04:45:20
04 Big Apple (banter) 06:47:15
05 Splatter Splatter 03:26:19
06 Lazy Boy 03:15:40
07 Kick In The Ass 02:19:36
08 Cellular (banter) 02:24:43
09 Sad Girl 04:52:73
10 Every Grain Of Sand *# 04:57:18
11 Independence Day 05:00:44
12 Heatseeker Boy 02:16:25
13 Pisco Intro... 01:36:03
14 Pisco Bandito 03:18:34
15 Welcome To C (tease), Natalia Intro... % 03:00:12
16 Natalia % 04:51:47
17 B.J. Don't Cry 03:23:59
18 Boo Time 04:19:30


Disc 2 of 2 Total: 69:24:41

01 Assigning 'random' instruments @ 06:05:74
02 I Found Penicillin in My Bread (improv) @ 03:47:42
03 Jumpin' Jack Flash (partial) @ 02:31:42
04 Ash Hash $ 03:18:54
05 Love Set Fire ^ 05:41:34
06 Michigan Militia 04:02:59
07 The Present Tense Tureen 03:35:68
08 Johnny Saucep'n 02:27:48
09 Guinea Pig 02:27:47
10 Lenny Bruce *& 05:22:21
11 My Baby Loves a Bunch of Authors 02:56:74
12 Get In The Car 02:54:18
13 Psycho Killer 07:23:64
14 Disco Intro... 03:26:49
15 Video Disco Bargainville 07:15:51
16 Beatlemania, Knitting Factory (banter) 03:08:34
17 If Only You Knew 02:55:12


* Bob Dylan Cover
$ Bob Snider Cover
# Dave Solo
% Jian Solo
^ Murray Solo
& Mike Solo
@ Band plays 'random' instruments

Thanks to George Nowik for the clone!� Patchers RULE when the taper's master gets eaten alive.� :)

has anyone else downloaded this show yet?

I can't seem to decode it. :(

Error reported by shorten: No Magic Number

just decoded it fine.

What software are you using, and on what platform?

I just used mkw on windows XP... came out perfect.

The last two jason put up were great. I got them fine.

I'm using mkw on win98.

The text file came out like this:

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I'm guessing an error when I downloaded and I should redownload it?

well, both paul and I got it fine... so yeah, sounds like a DL problem to me.

I'm still seeding it...so you SHOULD get decent speeds... as long as not too many people are pulling from me.

Got it!

Thanks!

Must've been an error in downloading.

Decoded fine with Carbon Shorten under Mac OS X v10.3.

W00t! Thanks, I was at this show. Do you happen to have the other night of the two night engagement (it was either the 24th or the 26th)?

It was July 26th, 2000.� It was by a stroke of luck I was even at that show, even Murray remembered that I supposed to have a band gig that night, but it was suddenly cancelled, which allowed me to go.

I've only been to 4 Fruvous shows, so I'm very happy I was at both of these shows.� Within these two shows you pretty much get the entire live repetoire of Moxy Fruvous.� I believe I counted just�4 repeat songs from both nights (Heatseeker, Pisco, Michigan, Disco Bargainville).� How many bands do you know that can do that (Or at least CHOOSE to do that)

In a feeble attempt at keeping up with Jason, and maybe getting some others to seed some shows, here's another!

Moxy Fr�vous
1999-12-08
Trinity St. Paul Centre
Toronto, Ontario

Format: SHN (Created using mkwACT 0.97 beta 1)

Size: 617 MB

Tracker Details:� http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=1439

Torrent Download: http://bt.etree.org/download.php/1439/mf1999-12-08.shnf.torrent�

Note: Show review available at: http://www.fruvous.com/99rev/991208.html

Source:
AKG C1000s ->� Sony SBM-1 -> Sony TCD-D7

Conversion:
Fostex D5 -> M-Audio 2448 -> Cool edit 96 -> CDWav -> CDR ->EAC -> SHN

Taper:
Daniel Godwin

Transfer:
Daniel Godwin

Disc 1:
01. Early Morning Rain (Cuts into song)
02. River Valley
03. Banter
04. Half as Much
05. Horseshoes
06. Banter
07. Fly
08. Bed and Breakfast
09. Lazy Boy
10. Banter
11. You Will Go To The Moon
12. Morph�e
13. Minnie The Moocher
14. Pork Tenderloin
15. Today's The Day That We Fight Back

Disc 2:
01. Marion Fr�vous Intro
02. The Ballad of Marion Fr�vous
03. Banter/Improv
04. Splatter Splatter
05. I Will Hold On
06. My Poor Generation
07. My Baby Loves A Bunch Of Authors
08. Get In The Car
09. Thanks/Psycho Killer Intro
10. Psycho Killer
11. Michigan Militia (Cuts)
12. Drinking Song (Off-Mic)

Minor Edits:
5 second fades in/out beg/end of Show.�

Notes:� Due to technical difficulties I missed some banter and the first couple seconds of Early Morning Rain at the beginning of the show, and then later Michigan Militia, King of Spain/Green Eggs and Ham.� Regardless, this was still one of the best Moxy Fr�vous shows I've ever taped, even if I managed to screw it up.� Enjoy!� If you have any questions, or the missing songs (unlikely), email me at [email protected]

Here ya go, folks! The infamous ThornWood show!
I apologize if I didn't do this right... it's my first time posting a bittorrent.

Tracker Details: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=1524

Torrent Download: http://bt.etree.org/download.php/1524/mf1999-08-18.torrent


Moxy Fr�vous
1999-08-18
Ramshead Tavern
Annapolis, MD


Note: Show review available at: http://www.fruvous.com/99rev/990818.html

Source:
AKG C1000s -> DA-P1

Conversion:
DA-20MKII -> M-Audio 2448 -> CDWav -> SHN

Taper:
Unknown

Transfer:
Nate DeRose

Disc 1:
01. intro
02. Half As Much
03. Horseshoes
04. banter
05. Downsizing
06. Down From Above
07. banter
08. Too Careful
09. Too Cold
10. banter
11. Sad Girl
12. banter
13. On Her Doorstep
14. banter
15. Independence Day
16. banter

Disc 2:
01. Nuits de Reve
02. banter
03. Earthquakes
04. Organ Grinder
05. banter
06. If Only You Knew
07. banter
08. Misplaced
09. banter
10. Present Tense Tureen
11. Splatter Splatter
12. banter
13. Fly
14. banter
15. I Will Hold On
16. banter
17. My Poor Generation

Notes: There was some overloading of the mic pre's during a couple songs, but it's relatively minor considering what an awesome show this is!
As far as I know, this was the only tape made of it.

Seems to be working fine so far.� Thanks Nate!��

Josh, any chance you could set up a new forum if these BitTorrents are going to keep coming through? Trying to skim through this thread to make sure I've caught up with all of the posts so that I don't miss any, I thought it would be a lot easier if there was a new topic started for each one in their own dedicated place.

This is a great thing and I hope it continues. If I had any shows worth seeding I would, but I doubt I have anything that no one else ever taped. That and I know minidisc is frowned upon. ;)

Put 'em in the Fruvous forum, that's what it's there for. :)

And yeah, this is wonderful. Thanks for doing this, guys!

Well you missed my point completely, but I guess you don't want to make a new forum and I can respect that descision. :)

I think it was a meeting halfway thing. Each torrent can have its own thread in the fruvous forum so they're still more clear/obvious than this thread.

Doesn't quite make sense if non-fru content starts milling around in this group though, but I dunno if that's out of scope anyway.

Hrm.

See, I put mine in the main thread so as to consolidate to one area.

I think it makes more sense than spreading them around.... what do ya'll think?

Look at it this way, if enough shows get published to make each having its own thread a problem, then it's a good problem to have. :)

Heh.
Valid point.

Yeah, good point... I'll put my next ones in their own threads.� About the only thing we don't have on this forum is the ability to upload the .torrent file, but using etree or other trackers like it makes that a non issue.� :)

Up next:
12/30/99 - Iron Horse
2/21/98 - Fruhead Convention

were you still thinking of redoing 10/30/98, or shall I seed that?

This is a great thing and I hope it continues. If I had any shows worth seeding I would, but I doubt I have anything that no one else ever taped. That and I know minidisc is frowned upon. ;)

How about the Pawling show from April '99?

Am I really the only one who has that?

Well, I have should have CD's of it somewhere. Unless I'm mistaken though, I believe you were the only taper.

True, there weren't many "regulars" at that show, were there...

I was there! And while I'd been to a bunch of shows, I was not a "regular" at the time. I think Kat was there too - we figured this out later. During off-mic Spidey, Mike grabbed someone's tape-recorder and screamed into it. It was Kat's.

As for the Mike Errico in the bar thing... they did this little song "Mike, where were ya?" Dave went to the bathroom a bit later, and they sang "Dave, where were ya?" to which he replied "I was checkin' the NASDAQ!" But that's not what I initially heard...if you switch the "S" and the "D" - well, I kinda thought it was a cancer self-exam kind-of thing.

I have never told anyone about this.

...if you switch the "S" and the "D"

*snorts cranberry juice out nose*

hahahahaha

Hmmm then you weren't too far away from me, because i think I was at a table one row closer to the stage and slightly below that incident. :)

I don't even see that on the list of shows from fruvous.com

Well that was an interesting show with interesting circumstances.

The original book date was the same date as one of the Westbeth shows in NYC. Fruvous never announced it and I only found out about it because I was attending a show at the venue and they had it advertised. I bought tickets anyway even though I figured it would get cancelled.

Of course it turned out that it was accidentally double-booked and there were misunderstandings and whatnot. So the show was postponed. But then Dave got sick and the show got postponed again.

By the time the show actually happened, it was long sold out mostly to locals and members of the venue (Towne Crier).

Oh and the opener was Mike Errico, and they called him out from the bar (which is on the other side of a wall there) during their set and jammed with him for like 25 minutes.

well, I have no interest in errico... but, I say post it!

:)

It's clearly a rarity.

The only problem I have right now is that I have no audio editing software for my Mac yet and precious little time for a project like that right now. :(

Well that and I have absolutely no idea where the minidiscs are. Though I'm sure I could find them. The CDs I made back when the show came out were okay though so if I can find THOSE, we might be in business. A few other people have them as well, I think.

Still, it'd probably be worth it for someone with a better digital sound card than a SBLive Platinum to have a go at transfering them. Anyone wants to do it, I'll clone the MDs and send them your way.

I drop you line, yo.

iLife '04 comes out in 9 days... GarageBand looked pretty sweet. It doesn't appear to be designed with levels/tracking in mind, but I suspect it can do it no problem.

Of course that doesn't help any with time/money issues or locating the MDs. ;) If you do find them, I can do a clean conversion for ya.

Oh I ordered iLife '04 moments after it showed up at the Apple Store. :)

The discs have been located and Nate and I are going to work on getting them transferred.

I don't even see that on the list of shows from fruvous.com

That's because I'm a bonehead. The actual date of the show was 4/26/2000

I'll continue to make new threads for the new shows I seed.� I think doing that will help organize things better.

It was one of the two Fruvous shows I've attended that you have. :) 10/31/98 would also be pretty sweet. Regardless of what you do, thanks for this! I've been sharing all of these shows until the number of downloaders drops to zero for a long period of time.

Funny... I just pulled 2/6/99 out last night and it sounds awesome. Save for some occasional talkers and the brief fight scene ("you wanna go?!?") I couldn't really ask for more. Should have it ready soon enough...

As for the 10/30+31/98 shows, Nate and I recorded them to 8-track digital recorders and I did a rough mixdown through an analog mixer a few years ago. I've never been particularly pleased with the results and plan to do a proper digital mixdown on a PC shortly.

- Jason

Thanks!

i can't get this to work. whenever i click on the torrent link, the page comes up as not found.� can anyone help?