What is a singer/songwriter?

It's a term that seems to get thrown around a lot, but I'm not exactly sure when it's appropriate to refer to a musician as a singer/songwriter.� There are plenty of people who write and sing their own songs, but never receive that label.� Do they have to be folk musicians?� While that's a possibility, some people referred to John Mayer as a singer/songwriter in a recent thread, and I wouldn't say he does folk music.� Another possibility is that a singer/songwriter has to perform as a solo artist, so band members who write their own songs don't fit into that category unless they perform them without the band.� Is there any official definition here?

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YES! I own this! :)

So Elton John counts as a singer/songwriter, even though he only writes the music?

how about Eminem he writes both does that make him a singer songwriter?

by the way I think he sucks so don't attack me

His name is on the song credit so I guess he is. I agree that it seems different than others who write both, although most singer/songwriters have co-written stuff from time to time. I guess the performer has some say in how they wish to be perceived, Janet Jackson, for instance, gets songwriting credits on most of her songs because she has some input into the lyrics. But I don't think she considers herself a songwriter.

You made an interesting observation, there do seem to be a lot of singer/songwriters in the folk field. Or maybe we just notice them more because the state of the genre (small venues, small audiences) encourages the solo artist.

I wouldn't really classify rapping under the same category as 'singing' although Eminem is a songwriter. Though I suppose one could - rap is for the most part folk music from the urban/ghetto (at least it was back in the day *g*)

The term singer/songwriter has really become misused these days as a genre of music unto itself when in reality there are a lot of genres that it can apply to. It's become a term to describe folk music because of the automatic perceptions people have of the term 'folk'.

I have a lot of respect for eminem.

However, I don't consider him a "singer songwriter".

I consider him a "rapper songwriter".


As ... well... nobody can argue.. there is a big difference between rapping and singing.

For me.... I see "singer/songwriter" as a genre... the same way that I see "indie pop" or "hip hop"

Now, as for what causes people to be in that category.... well, I see that as something that is, basically, people who write and perform their own music... largely solo.... and it's generally guitar and/or keyboard based.

I would *definitely* not equate "singer/songwriter" with "folk"... as some of my favorite groups are one and not the other.

When someone writes songs.. then puts out an album which is just them performing the songs..... with very little added support... that's kinda the closest I can come to describing "singer/songwriter".

So, John Lennon and Paul McCartney were not singer/songwriters before the Beatles went into their hiatus?

When they were part of the beatles?
No, I'd say not.
That was a band.

But Fr�vous is often labled "a band of singer songwriters".
Is it like how Voltron is made of cats, but is not a cat himslef?

Voltron reference = 10 points.

Making voltron sound deep = 15 points.

misspelling "himself" = -5 points.

:)

Not bad... 20 total points for that short a post!

Very entertaining...
What's your formula though? The misspelling of labled doesn't count?

;-)

Actually he spelled labled correctly. It's the misspelling of labelled that doesn't count.
;)

I think he gets extra points for referencing Lion Voltron and not the stupid car Voltron.

Car voltron?

He wasn't just cars. He had a rocket ship and trains if I remember right. Growing up, my brother always got the car one, and I'd get the cat one. Which I thought was a good deal ;-)

How bizarre!
I never even heard of that... it was always cats for me....

Was there, like, a sequal TV show, too?

I think it was a "the show's dying and we need something new" thing.

I think they were just different seasons. Let me consult the Oracle at Delphi..er..Google.

http://members.aol.com/shanemuir/history.htm

How about that. No wonder the two seasons didn't make much sense.

Heh... yeah, that's funny.

I guess I must've stopped watching before they ever aired any of the car ones.

Well, to be fair, he does sing..

"You don't... wanna fuck with Shady... 'cuz Shady... will fucking kill you."

"I said I'm sorry mama, I never meant to hurt you, I never meant to make you cry, but tonight I'm cleaning out the closet.."

"So long, bitch, you did me so wrong.. I don't wanna go on.. living in this world without you.."

It's not exactly James Taylor, but he probably has a "better" voice than Tom Waits or Greg Brown. ;-)

A better voice than Greg Brown??? *Shocked and appalled*