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«Rob Balder» What do you consider my culture, Michael? What about me do you respect as much as you think I should respect your tribe? (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:04pm)
«Rob Balder» Christianity? I'm not a Christian. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:04pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» Wait wait wait,,,, Rob isn't the one acting smug and superior here? (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:04pm)
«Rob Balder» My ethnic traditions? I have none that matter. I am a mutt American. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:04pm)
«Rob Balder» Why, no. I'm not. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:05pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» Now *that's* news :D "ROB BALDER - Not Smug and Superior" :D (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:05pm)
«wild bill» strange, I thought you were hungarian (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:06pm)
«Rob Balder» Rob Balder - victim of exactly that kind of flippant abuse all his life and expected to take it cheerfully. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:06pm)
«Rob Balder» My father's family is Hungarian. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:06pm)
«Rob Balder» I know two words of Hungarian. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:07pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» Rob, don't give me that, you're the one going for the sob story here. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:07pm)
«Rob Balder» My mother is about 20 things. Including (she claims) Cherokee (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:07pm)
«wild bill» I'm not arguing, I dont have the time. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:07pm)
«Rob Balder» No Mike. I am asking a simple question. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:07pm)
«wild bill» bye *pewf* (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:07pm)
«Rob Balder» I'm asking to have one person point out what aspect of my being corresponds to the aspects of yours that I am supposed to revere. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:08pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» Rob, bull, you've said "victim" and "villified" in respect to yourself. You're not gonna get sympathy (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:08pm)
«Rob Balder» You're coming late to this discussion. I had already taken a lot from Michael, and Lawrence as much as called me a racist (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:09pm)
«Rob Balder» For being a fan of my NFL team. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:10pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» (nor, do you require any sympathy, you're supposedly educated, you have a job, and you can even work a computer, that's better than most the population) (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:10pm)
«Rob Balder» Exactly. You're all about telling me how good I've got it. You wouldn't know. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:10pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» I've gone through the whole discussion. Don't blow it off as "everyone is out to get me" that's utter crap. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:11pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» I wouldn't know? Yet, you insist that you know how everyone else has it? Again, a tad bit self important aren't we? (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:11pm)
«Rob Balder» But you forget that I went out and GOT the things I have. By learning on my own, by paying for an education, and by becoming competent enough to DO my job. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:11pm)
«Rob Balder» Nobody gave me the things I have, with the exception of my ability to form a grammatically correct sentence. My parents taught me that. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:12pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» uh huh, and everyone else gets everything given to them? Damn, I missed out. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:13pm)
«Rob Balder» You act as if I went to some job-distribution center and they said "White Male? OK here's a professional position." (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:13pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» No, I'm acting like that's what people do. Not, geee, you've had it rough. Here, you deserve a medal. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:14pm)
«Rob Balder» Everybody gets what they can earn. Some get more, some get less. Everybody thinks they get less and others get more. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:14pm)
«Rob Balder» I'm asking a question, and nobody can give me an answer. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:15pm)
«Rob Balder» I guess I won't get one. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:16pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» No, you're looking for sympathy. You're just going for the whole reverse discrimination thing. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:16pm)
«Rob Balder» I was told I condone racism. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:17pm)
«Rob Balder» Would you not find that offensive? (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:17pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» Well, do you acknowledge the fact that the term redskin is racist? (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:18pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» And, if you say that the Redskins can't change their name/logo because of tradition, hell you're the one that said that they're on their 4th logo. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:18pm)
«Rob Balder» No I do not. It is offensive by definition, as Paul pointed out. The difference between offensive and racist is clear. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:18pm)
«Rob Balder» "Offensive" is defined by the observer, and "Racist" is defined by the one who acts. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:19pm)
«Rob Balder» Something that is intended to offend is a lot different from something that was not, but that someone then chooses to take offense AT. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:20pm)
«Rob Balder» They are on their 4th logo. Teams change logos and uniforms all the time. I would not care if the Redskins changed logos. But that seems to be a side issue. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:21pm)
«Rob Balder» I would miss the logo. I have a button my uncle gave me when I was 4 that has that logo. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:22pm)
«wild bill» actually racist is defined by webster as racial prejudice.. prejudice is defined as a preconcieved judgement or opinion.. not a whole lotta action there (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:22pm)
«Rob Balder» No but it is an act on the part of the offendER. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:23pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» So, the fact that you deem it not offensive , means that no one else can find it offensive? (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:24pm)
«Rob Balder» If a sub population of Americans suddenly proclaimed offense at pink balloons. And they could prove that they had historical reason to find them offensive... (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:24pm)
«wild bill» so, redskin isn't racist because the offended doesn't mean it to be racist (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:25pm)
«Rob Balder» ...would they be right in calling for a law against pick balloons? (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:25pm)
«wild bill» offended = offender (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:25pm)
«Rob Balder» No because it was not created as a racial slur, or in fact even to indicate Native Americans. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:25pm)
«wild bill» stick to the argument at hand.. this isn't some hypothetical.. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:26pm)
«Rob Balder» And 65 years passed before it was even raised as an issue by the "offended" parties. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:26pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» uhhh, Rob, the dudes that initially painted their faces red. Why did they do that? (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:26pm)
«wild bill» and redskin is a racial slur (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:26pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» You think it was to accent their cheek bones? (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:27pm)
«Rob Balder» I don't know how many ways I can restate this. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:27pm)
«Rob Balder» The colonists painted their faces to avoid being identified. It was an additional tactic to create confusion. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:28pm)
«Rob Balder» If the British weren't sure it was actually colonists who did it, it would be tougher to make a reprisal. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:29pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» Rob, do you think 60 years ago, 50 years ago, 40 years ago even, that there was freedom of speech enough that native americans could say something without ,,,,, (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:29pm)
«wild bill» ah, my mistake, redskin was a term of endearment. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:29pm)
«Rob Balder» It was dumb thinking, but still a brave thing to do. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:29pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» being retaliated ? (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:29pm)
«Rob Balder» I'm wondering who they took that freedom of speech from. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:30pm)
«Rob Balder» Cause mine has gone missing. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:30pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» Uhhh, are we telling you to shut up? Are you being silenced? (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:30pm)
«Rob Balder» I'm going to restate it. Why should I care if someone thinks of my team's name as offensive? (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:31pm)
«wild bill» oh boo hoo, the natives want to use their rights as being members of our nation.. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:31pm)
«Rob Balder» No you're labelling me a racist for rooting for a football team. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:31pm)
«Rob Balder» What about my life and traditions do these people respect in kind? (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:32pm)
«wild bill» you and the other 5 redskin fans shouldn't care.. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:32pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» Why should you care? because I'd thought that in this day , people thought enough of each other to not continue actions that offends another. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:32pm)
«Rob Balder» That's the fallacy, RIGHT THERE. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:32pm)
«Rob Balder» Because if you turn that around, you get a broad cutting edge. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:33pm)
«Rob Balder» Please, if you disregard everything else I say on this subject, please please please pay attention to this... (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:33pm)
«Rob Balder» And give it serious consideration. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:33pm)
«Rob Balder» If the "general understanding" in our culture is now what you just said: (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:34pm)
«wild bill» you shouldn't care, but just don't whine when they change because it does offend people. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:34pm)
«Rob Balder» That people think enough of each other to not continue actions that offend another. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:34pm)
«wild bill» oh please, enlighten us with your broad interpretation (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:35pm)
«Rob Balder» OK guess Bill can't do even that. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:35pm)
«Rob Balder» Maybe Mike can. I will continue. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:36pm)
«wild bill» plus profound.. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:36pm)
«Rob Balder» Then there is an emergent social power now. There is the power to "claim offense." (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:36pm)
«wild bill» now that you've figured out the universe, I'm going to get work done. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:36pm)
«wild bill» not worth arguing about because the redskins will change their name. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:37pm)
«Rob Balder» When this power is wielded, those who were doing something with no intent to offend are suddenly struck. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:37pm)
«wild bill» it's just going to be a sad day for all the dinosaurs out there that are going to whine about tradition. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:37pm)
«Rob Balder» God you're a prick, Bill. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:38pm)
«Joy- new picture!» Frulie: nice. :) (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:38pm)
«Rob Balder» They are faced with a choice: change your own life or be made a pariah. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:38pm)
«wild bill» *yawn* (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:38pm)
«Mike "Racer" Yoshioka» That's when common sense needs to come into play Rob. Take your pink balloon example. I don't care how stupid people are, they are not going to back that. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:39pm)
«Rob Balder» Your sense of common sense is different from mine. (Apr 2, 2001 @ 3:39pm)

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