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«Rob Balder» And post-Einstein, physics seems to be irrelevent to people's lives. Nobody on the street cares about the Higgs boson. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:50am) «danced with Lazlo» the truths were not true to begin with. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:50am) «lawrence» nobody cares about physics, but it still rules our lives whether we like it or not. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:51am) «CSz Magpie» Now that's a whole nother ball of wax. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:51am) «Rob Balder» Nope but the practical truth of the times was that challenging the Aristotelian model of the cosmos would get you arrested. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:51am) «lawrence» what we believe is "true" is only a matter of perception. there are things that are "true" but we don't necessarily know they are. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:51am) «danced with Lazlo» we invent the rules that we impose on our universe. They are based on observation, but they are still invented... because tomorrow we will find that it wasn't.. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:51am) «lawrence» 1000 years ago, it was "true" that the earth was flat. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:51am) «CSz Magpie» Is anything ever really "true" then? Isn't truth merely based on belief? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:52am) «danced with Lazlo» true at all, but nobody found out because we didn't see the situation in which it didn't work yet. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:52am) «Rob Balder» Lawrence I am shocked you'd argue that! You? Truth is subjective? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:52am) «danced with Lazlo» That is what I'm saying. No truth. But we should still look. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:52am) «lawrence» Rob - no, truth isn't subjective. truth exists, but we just don't know what it is. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:52am) «Rob Balder» You were arguing that art was not entirely subjective just a week ago. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:52am) «Rob Balder» OK I get that. Sorry. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:53am) «Michael (foof) Maki» If there exists an objectiveist in the world, I'd have thought it was Lawrence. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:53am) «CSz Magpie» I'm almost inclined to say I hope we never find an "Absolute Truth". The boundary that would imply... It's almost scary. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:53am) «danced with Lazlo» heh... and you believe that rap cannot under any circumstance be construed as music... :) (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:53am) «lawrence» no way. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:53am) «Michael (foof) Maki» Lawrence: But if we can't know the truth, then how do we know it exists? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:53am) «lawrence» objectivism drives me up the wall. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:54am) «danced with Lazlo» *Almost* inclined? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:54am) «CSz Magpie» Well, I'm always one for experience, Gella. And finding a Truth would be quite an experience. :) (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:54am) «lawrence» Michael - well, I'm not sure we *can't* know the truth. it's quite possible that our current perceptions of the universe *are* true.... (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:54am) «danced with Lazlo» I mean, if there *is* an absolute truth, of course we should look fir it, but if we ever found it...? We'd have to all drop dead or live as vegetables! (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:54am) «Rob Balder» Practical truth changes, and is often incompatible with literal/objective/whatever Truth, but it still interests me. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:55am) «lawrence» mmmm, vegetables. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:55am) «Michael (foof) Maki» Any inkling what this truth might be, Lawrence? I'm confused. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:55am) «danced with Lazlo» There's no reason it shouldn't interest you. Just don't get too attached. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:55am) «CSz Magpie» Gell - if that's what the consequences are of finding the Truth, why would we look for it? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:55am) «lawrence» like, that laws of physics. whatever they may actually be, they rule the universe. they keep the planets in orbit around the sun, they keep our solar system.. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:56am) «danced with Lazlo» Einstien got letters saying "You will stop saying that space curves at once!" (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:56am) «lawrence» in its place in the galaxy, and the milky way in its place in the rest of the universe. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:56am) «Rob Balder» I can't live my life thinking "The World is wrong, only I am enlightened to Absolute Truth." I'd never trust myself to that degree. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:56am) «danced with Lazlo» because what else is there to do, magpie? :) (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:56am) «CSz Magpie» Homework. :-) (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:56am) «lawrence» but our current view of those laws might not be totally accurate. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:56am) «Rob Balder» I couldn't differentiate myself from the religious fanatics, in that case. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:56am) «Michael (foof) Maki» Lawrence: So, the ultimate laws of Physics, whatever they are, would be a truth? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:56am) «lawrence» yes. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:57am) «Michael (foof) Maki» Lawrence: For once, I have no quarrel with with you're saying. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:57am) «danced with Lazlo» Ah. Yes. Homework. Well, isn't that what we are doing when we practice mathematical proofs... Lawrence? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:57am) «CSz Magpie» But is it more admirable (and in the long run, safer) to search for Personal Truth, rather than Absolute Truth? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:57am) «danced with Lazlo» How do you know that the universe is governed by absolute laws? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:57am) «danced with Lazlo» I don't go for safety, magpie. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:57am) «lawrence» someone once asked me what my beliefs on things like heaven and hell are... because while I don't believe there is a god, but I believe that if *you* believe .. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:57am) «lawrence» in a god, then god exists for you. you know? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:58am) «Michael (foof) Maki» I think matters get a *lot* stickier when you deal with morality, though. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:58am) «Laura's way behind!!» boink (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:58am) «Rob Balder» Physics is a rock of Truth because it can be proven repeatably. I go for finding truths that meet that criterion. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:58am) «danced with Lazlo» I don't search for anything in particular... I just search. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:58am) «lawrence» so they were like "but if what you believe is true for you, then what about the afterlife? are you saying you go to heaven if you believe in it?" well, no.... (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:58am) «Rob Balder» But I am saying they may only be true in our times. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:58am) «CSz Magpie» I like that attitude, Gella. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:58am) «lawrence» because the physical universe will only allow one absolute (by definition, even!) but we don't know what it is, in that case. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:59am) «Rob Balder» Lawrence ever hear of the Omega Point theory? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:59am) «lawrence» can't say I have. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:59am) «danced with Lazlo» What if it's really random? What if what we see just happens to be mostly consistent? What happens when you find something that breaks all of the rules? What if (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:00pm) «Rob Balder» It's complex but it can be summed up in a couple sentences, I think. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:00pm) «CSz Magpie» All right. I'm going to quit playing Devil's Advocate and get to class. (Although this discussion is far more intellectual than anything here.) (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:00pm) «danced with Lazlo» there are no new rules ti tie it up with? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:00pm) «Rob Balder» Heheh thanks Magpie (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:00pm) «danced with Lazlo» bye magpie? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:00pm) «lawrence» o/~ Why don't *you* make the rules? o/~ (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:00pm) «danced with Lazlo» what is (heaven forbid) you fing God, eh? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:00pm) «CSz Magpie» Bye guys. I'll probably spend some more time here later. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:00pm) «danced with Lazlo» what if (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:00pm) «danced with Lazlo» and find (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:01pm) «danced with Lazlo» my typing gets bad when I get enthusiastic (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:01pm) «lawrence» Gella - if I find God, I'll probably be in serious trouble. I'd guess if there's a god he/she/it doesn't like disblievers. :) (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:01pm) «danced with Lazlo» why would you assume that? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:01pm) «Rob Balder» Omega Point theory: Life is antientropic, as is intelligence, society, and communication. Increasing complexity in these things will keep accellerating... (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:01pm) «lawrence» well, it makes sense, doesn't it? I mean, if you were an all powerful being, wouldn't you be kinda pissed if people didn't believe you existed? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:02pm) «danced with Lazlo» Why should God ever have reason to be pissed? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:02pm) «Rob Balder» ...until the net increase in complexity overtakes entropy itself. The Universe will start to move toward a point of perfect order. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:02pm) «danced with Lazlo» Why would you assume that God is ruled by the same emotions that rule us? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:02pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» lawrence: If you were an all-powerful being, why would you give two shits? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:02pm) «lawrence» Gella - because the same people who believe in God (at least the Judeo-Christian one) believe we were created in his image. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:03pm) «Rob Balder» The Omega Point is the point in the distant future when the matter of the Universe organizes to total complexity, and inheretly perfect self-awareness. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:03pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» I mean, I couldn't care less what the bacteria living on my desk right now think about me. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:03pm) «danced with Lazlo» So? Who says that their idea of God has anything to do with any "real" God? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:03pm) «lawrence» well, true. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:03pm) «danced with Lazlo» Rob... Apocalypse. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:04pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» Rob: Ooh. I like that. Thou art God. The trees and the grasses and the cows grok in harmony. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:04pm) «danced with Lazlo» May our eggs share the same nest (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:04pm) «Rob Balder» Michael: We're not there yet and won't be for billions of years if at all, but yeah. :) (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:04pm) «danced with Lazlo» Ooh... who's read Job: A Comedy Of Justice? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:05pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» Rob: Time, I've got. :-) (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:05pm) «Rob Balder» It's a neat theory, if entirely academic. But then, so is all theology until they prove "prayer-power" in the lab. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:05pm) «Rob Balder» Gella I have. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:05pm) «lawrence» Rob - and presumably we won't know we're approaching it until we're already there, at which point we'll have known all along. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:05pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» Gella: I have. It's my favorite of Heinlein's. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:05pm) «Rob Balder» Lawrence - not necessarily. Just articulating the theory moves it along. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:06pm) «danced with Lazlo» Well... they have done studies that show that people who are prayed for when sick tend to recover better... even when they don't know they are being prayed for (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:06pm) «Rob Balder» Life may decide to take on the Omega Point as a concious challenge. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:06pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» I can't believe that someone who was as much of a dirty old man as Heinlein was was so totally inept at writing sex scenes. </rant> (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:06pm) «Rob Balder» conscious, my typing is bad today (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:06pm) «danced with Lazlo» I would probably attribute that to positive psychic energy, though... (Mar 26, 2001 @ 12:06pm) « Previous 100 entries | Next 100 entries »
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