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«Rob Balder» AYBABTU sites are springing up everywhere. I've got one you'll really like. One sec. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 10:43am) «Andrea Krause» taser (Mar 26, 2001 @ 10:43am) «Rob Balder» Here ya go: http://www.allyourbrand.org/ (Mar 26, 2001 @ 10:44am) «Rob Balder» I love this guy's diatribe about advertising. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 10:44am) «Michael (foof) Maki» LOL. You been to the Adbuster's site? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 10:46am) «Michael (foof) Maki» "All your individuality are belong to us" LOL. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 10:48am) «Rob Balder» Yeah this guy had a link so I checked it out. Very funny stuff. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 10:48am) «danced with Lazlo» I'm applying for a job at Barned and Noble. Am I evil? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:17am) «Michael (foof) Maki» Yes. Next. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:19am) «danced with Lazlo» 'k. bye. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:20am) «Michael (foof) Maki» heh (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:22am) «danced with Lazlo» Jian will hate me. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:23am) «danced with Lazlo» Dar and The Nields will lynch me (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:23am) «Andrea Krause» I love you, though :) (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:25am) «Andrea Krause» (and that's all that matters) (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:25am) «danced with Lazlo» Yay! (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:27am) «jaye» s'all about the andrea-lovin' (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:27am) «Andrea Krause» I'd even love you if you worked at Starbucks! :) (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:28am) «Rob Balder» You can't live in the woods and eat berries, Gella. You gotta eat and corporate America is where the bucks are. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:28am) «Rob Balder» B&N is a lot less evil than some I've whored for. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:28am) «danced with Lazlo» oh... I'd kill myself before I worked at Starbucks... and not because Jian said so either... just the thought of working at Starbuck.... uuggghhh! (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:29am) «Rob Balder» At least they are making it halfway cool to be a reader. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:29am) «danced with Lazlo» I gotta eat corporate America? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:29am) «Rob Balder» How poetic. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:30am) «Rob Balder» The bumber stickers are coming now: EAT CORPORATE AMERICA (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:30am) «Rob Balder» Ugh I am fighting a cold. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:31am) «Rob Balder» Swallow The System! (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:31am) «jaye» o/~ i fought the cold and the cold won o/~ (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:31am) «Andrea Krause» Is it "eat corporate america" or "eat corporate, america"? :) (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:31am) «Andrea Krause» Bite the Man! (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:32am) «danced with Lazlo» I wanna be an artist of some stripe and a writer of another stripe and not whore myself out to Corporate America... not even for moral reasons but... (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:32am) «danced with Lazlo» because it's so fucking DEAD. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:32am) «Rob Balder» Well, if you want to say anything real about the Truth of Our Times, you'll find it in the corporate belly. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:33am) «CSz Magpie» Speaking of sassy bumper stickers, check out unamerican.com (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:33am) «danced with Lazlo» There IS no Truth of Our Times. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:34am) «Rob Balder» I'll be a writer when I'm made enough money. I want to have something relevant to say. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:34am) «Rob Balder» Bah, that's facile Gella. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:34am) «danced with Lazlo» Oui, tres facil. Et? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:35am) «Rob Balder» The Truths of Our Times are complex and contradictory, sad and glorious. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:35am) «danced with Lazlo» No. You just THINK they are. They really don't exist. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:35am) «Rob Balder» Future historians will magnify our times. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:35am) «danced with Lazlo» Make 'em bigger? How you make times bigger? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:36am) «Rob Balder» Well excuse me for being unenlightened. Guess I haven't quite evolved to achive your level of nihilism. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:36am) «danced with Lazlo» I'm not a nihilist (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:37am) «Rob Balder» The way the Old West is magnified. The way the Roman and Greek classical periods are blown up in importance. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:37am) «danced with Lazlo» not by ANY stretch of the imagination! (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:37am) «Rob Balder» You're not a nihilist but there's no truth and nothing worth examining these days. I see. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:38am) «Misch» Hmm... my friend got a bumper sticker for his brithday that says... "Substitute Pimp" (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:38am) «danced with Lazlo» I never said there was nothing worth examining... why are you putting words in my mouth? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:38am) «Michael (foof) Maki» I'm not sure I follow you, Rob. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:38am) «danced with Lazlo» EVERYTHING is worth examining. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:38am) «Rob Balder» It follows from saying that no truths currently exist, which is what you did say. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:39am) «Andrea Krause» stipulating there is no true answer does not preclude the need to examine...*shrug* (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:40am) «Rob Balder» Michael, I mean this is a transitional time. It's a time of accelerated everything. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:40am) «danced with Lazlo» That doesn't mean that nothing is worth examining. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:40am) «Rob Balder» Andrea it implies it strongly. Why strive to examine when you live under your foregone conclusion that there is nothing to find? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:40am) «CSz Magpie» Accelerated everything leads to truths spinning by and changing so quickly that sometimes it seems as if there aren't any. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:41am) «danced with Lazlo» That's YOUR bias, Rob. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:41am) «danced with Lazlo» And Truth is not the only thing to find. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:41am) «Michael (foof) Maki» Rob: I would agree...but I don't see how that leads to there being some kind of universal truths out there. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:41am) «Rob Balder» Magpie that's one of the things I do mean. Thanks. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:41am) «lawrence» I don't think the conclusion was that there is nothing to find in the future, so much as that nothing has been found yet... (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:42am) «Andrea Krause» there will never be any one true answer to the whole god/religion/whatever thing...but we shoudlnt stop wondering and exploring. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:42am) «lawrence» but in looking for it, we discover other things in the process. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:42am) «CSz Magpie» Lawrence, how can we find anything in the future until it becomes the present? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:42am) «Rob Balder» Not universal truths, Michael. Things that are true now that never were before. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:42am) «CSz Magpie» :-) (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:42am) «Rob Balder» And may not be true ever again. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:42am) «CSz Magpie» Rob, can you give an example? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:43am) «lawrence» we plan to look for things in the future. we look for them when the future does become the present, which some might suggest it already has. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:43am) «Rob Balder» I think so. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:43am) «lawrence» I would say "it's the future" now, but that would be ridiculous. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:44am) «CSz Magpie» Isn't that a slogan of something? "The future is now..." Hm... (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:44am) «danced with Lazlo» Lawrence... it *is* the future now! :) (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:44am) «danced with Lazlo» Moreso, now is History (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:44am) «Michael (foof) Maki» Rob: Absolutely. But that smacks of navel-gazing. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:44am) «danced with Lazlo» but that's another argument (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:44am) «Rob Balder» "Indefinite growth is sustainable." This is not strictly true, but right now, in these times, it is *practically* true. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:45am) «CSz Magpie» I see where you're going, Rob. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:45am) «danced with Lazlo» Practical truths do not amout to truth. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:45am) «Rob Balder» This is a period of unstable equillibrium. We're like a ball at the top of the hill. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:45am) «danced with Lazlo» Truth, rather. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:46am) «CSz Magpie» Gella, what's your definition of Truth? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:46am) «CSz Magpie» (So I know where we're going here.) (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:46am) «Rob Balder» Gella you may have put your finger on where we disagree. Practical truths are more valuable to me than amorphous truisms. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:46am) «Rob Balder» Things are true about our situation now that won't be true forever. Something will move us off our perch. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:47am) «Michael (foof) Maki» ROb: So, your argument is that is some point in the future, what is now the present will be looked back on as a turning point? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:47am) «danced with Lazlo» Physics. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:48am) «Rob Balder» Michael: Yes I think so. And it will be glamorized the way a lot of transitional periods in history are. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:48am) «danced with Lazlo» Physics, as we know it, at any given time in history, is practically true. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:48am) «CSz Magpie» That all comes back to the viewpoint of the historians. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:48am) «danced with Lazlo» Tomorrow, it is false, and what we know NOW is true. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:49am) «lawrence» o/~ it's worse than that, it's physics, Jim! o/~ (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:49am) «Michael (foof) Maki» <shrug> perhaps so, but I think the inhabitants of the present day are in no position to tell. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:49am) «danced with Lazlo» The same thing happens the next tomorrow (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:49am) «Rob Balder» Gella: Physics (mechanics, anyway) was misunderstood until Newton and Kepler et al. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:49am) «Michael (foof) Maki» Thanks, Lawrence...no day is complete without me getting Star Trekkin' stuck in my head. (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:49am) «CSz Magpie» Gella: So you're saying that each day, our "truths" are destroyed in favor of new truths, and therefor ewe have no sustainable Truth? (Mar 26, 2001 @ 11:49am) « Previous 100 entries | Next 100 entries »
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