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«hkath» it was a tv show directed by Bruce McDonald, and written and starring Don McKellar. Also starring Molly Parker and Callum Keith Rennie. Jennifer Jason Leigh guested... so did the King of Kensington :) (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:06pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» "Jesus is descended from Moses, and I have a big list of names to prove it." (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:07pm)
«hkath» ? (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:07pm)
«no one» "the nature of television!" i won't hold my breath for a documentary on it by david attenborough (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:07pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Sorry...was quoting from a line in a play I saw a jillion years ago. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:08pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» It was mocking the differences between the gospels...with four different retellings of the life of Jesus. :-) (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:10pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» I'm not sure which of the gospels has all the "____ begat ____"s in it, but that's the one I was fondly recalling. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:12pm)
«no one» mhh, considering that the earliest copies of the gospels are in greek and written a couple of hundred years after jesus's death, it all seems a little unreliable (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:13pm)
«no one» whats wrong with a discussion on bible crap? (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:13pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Heh. State Farm Insurance will no longer pay out on comprehensive auto insurance if your car is destroyed in a nuclear holocaust. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:14pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Stefan: I believe that was the point they were getting at. :-) (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:14pm)
«jaye» oh. because the use of the word "crap" certainly implied judgment to me (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:14pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» In that case, yes, Anni. We are talking about bible crap again. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:14pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» I love some translations of the bible. The Good News is a great read. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:15pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» and the language in the KJV is beautiful, but utterly opaque. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:16pm)
«no one» sf agrees with the fiction aspect (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:16pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Yeah. That was the version of the bible we used in Catechism. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:17pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Yeah, weird, I know. Who even knew Catholics BELIEVED in the Bible... :-) (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:17pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Enhh. "fiction" and "non fiction" are kind of meaningless when applied to religious texts. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:18pm)
«no one» explain please, michael (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:20pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» I mean, do I believe that the Bible is literally true? No...but then, neither do most Christians. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:20pm)
«no one» so, is it illiterally true? (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:21pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Well, IMHO, it's not intended as a history...but a set of beliefs to ponder. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:22pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Stefan: Yes. It is figuratively true. But, you could argue that about anything. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:22pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Anni: I would argue that *all* of it is symbolism. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:23pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Absolutely. Let's say that it really *is* divinely inspired by God. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:23pm)
«jaye» that's the point of myth. it's true on the inside, not on the outside. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:23pm)
«no one» set of beliefs, great, crusades, wec will win because god is on our side, no incest in this christian community ... (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:23pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Well, someone as with-it as God is knows that societies change, and that we're likely not going to be speaking the same language today as we were 2000 years ago. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:24pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» so, what does he do if he wants to get his message across across the milennia? Tell a story. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:24pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» It matters precious little to me the political intrigues going on between Samaritans and the other tribes... (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:25pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» but the parable of the Good Samaritan is deeply meaningful in my everyday life. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:25pm)
«hkath» ooh, double Style Invitational this week. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:26pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Anni: Well...yeah. But that's the stuff I don't bother reading. I give a shit whether Jesus is descended from King David. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:26pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Okay, Anni. You're right. I was engaging in hyperbole. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:27pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» I don't really understand people who say that the KJV is the only valid version of the bible. I mean, the KJV itself is a translation, ferchrissakes. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:28pm)
«I can see the bunny» there - I now have normal sized pics on my profile... (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:29pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» But even literalistic stuff can be used symbolically... To go back to that list of begats... (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:29pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Well, none that we've found yet, anyway, Anni. At some point, someone *must* have put pen to paper and written each of the books of the bible. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:30pm)
«no one» sorry, i'm out of here for three hours. all religions are superstitions to me (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:30pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Well, yeah, it's a family tree. But it's also a statement of the importance that the writer gave to Jesus. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:30pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» He considered him so important he couldn't possibly NOT be a direct descendent of one of the central characters in the Jewish tradition. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:31pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» SF: Enhh. Superstitions often arise from real observations. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:32pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» I mean, if you're trying to get my feathers all ruffled by arguing that religion is mostly a set of superstitions, you're barking up the wrong tree. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:33pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» But I think that's irrelevant. It still tells an interesting story. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:33pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» no, that was directed at Stefan. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:34pm)
«no one» yes, michael, and they can lead to radically wrong conclusions (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:34pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» I mean, I by no stretch of the imagination consider myself a Christian. But there are some very worthwhile teachings in the Christian Mythos. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:34pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» STefan: But *anything* can lead to radically wrong conclusions. Religions's just had more time to do that. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:35pm)
«I can see the bunny» notes that the Christian mythos is ripped off of the Pagan traditions.... (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:36pm)
«jaye» that's not a judgment or anything. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:36pm)
«jaye» that's evolution for you (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:37pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» And what of it, Leanne. Nothing new under the sun, I think I've read that somewhere. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:37pm)
«I can see the bunny» the best way to assimilate the masses is to create new traditions around the ones people are already used to... (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:37pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Absolutely. (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:39pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Anni: Well, some religions do. But they're mostly referred to as "cults" (Mar 8, 2003 @ 9:40pm)

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