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«Paul D. Beasi» er.. my mind thought decades but my fingers typed centuries (Feb 5, 2003 @ 4:46pm) «J» thats the one where you put the ball in the hole right? (Feb 5, 2003 @ 4:46pm) «Paul D. Beasi» to the best of my knowledge, a baseballs outer covering is still cowhide (Feb 5, 2003 @ 4:47pm) «J» I want my mac back :( (Feb 5, 2003 @ 4:47pm) «Paul D. Beasi» it actually used to be horse hide (Feb 5, 2003 @ 4:47pm) «J» :( (Feb 5, 2003 @ 4:47pm) «J» I knew I hated baseball for more than one reason (Feb 5, 2003 @ 4:48pm) «Paul D. Beasi» baseballs (Feb 5, 2003 @ 4:48pm) «J» well Im going to play geetar for a while. Ciao (Feb 5, 2003 @ 4:49pm) «Paul D. Beasi» footballs are also made out of cowhide (Feb 5, 2003 @ 4:49pm) «Paul D. Beasi» (not pigskin) (Feb 5, 2003 @ 4:50pm) «J» ok me is back (Feb 5, 2003 @ 5:48pm) «nate...» Well, I mean.... it's not like they kill the cows for the leather... that's more of a byproduct. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 5:55pm) «nate...» If they're going to be killing them for meat anyway, I'd rather have 'em use the hides... in fact, I'd rather they use every little bit they can. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 5:55pm) «Misch» Mmm... club baby seals. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 5:59pm) «nate...» Heh... my friend drew a picture once of Club Baby Seal... a night club. :) (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:01pm) «nate...» "Where are you goin tonight?" "Oh.. I'm going to Club Baby Seal... wanna come?" (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:02pm) «Misch» Canada just upped the limit on the number of baby seals that can be trapped over the next 3 years. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:02pm) «lawrence» but can they be clubbed? (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:05pm) «nate...» lets hope so... or there go my summer plans... (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:06pm) «nate...» holy CRAP! (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:06pm) «nate...» I just got my state tax return!!! that's.... jesus, that's 3 business days, INCLUDING mailing! (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:07pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» I keep hearing that clubbing is actually a fairly humane way for them to go... (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:09pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» or, at least, the most humane way that doesn't damage the pelts... (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:11pm) «nate...» I'm not really surprised... I mean, when you go fishing, that's the quickest way to kill the fish. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:11pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» I mean, yeah, it's hard to watch those adorable faces get hit with a club, but many parts of what it takes to produce the things we want are less than savory. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:11pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» <nods> I think it was not too long ago that that's how they slaughtered cows, too... (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:12pm) «nate...» well... I suppose, but I *DO* disagree with that .... much of the time, they kill them, take the pelt... and discard the body. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:12pm) «nate...» THAT, IMO, is wrong. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:12pm) «nate...» I have no problem with leather... since the body is also used, for meat.... etc... (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:13pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» Yeah. I think fashion is an awful reason for animals to die. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:14pm) «lawrence» nate - is it, though? I thought that cows raised for meat were raised differently from cows raised for hides? (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:14pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» But I think that if you don't like it, you shouldn't buy it. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:14pm) «nate...» lawrence: I don't believe so, actually.... (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:14pm) «nate...» or, at the very least, they're used for dog food... etc.... point being, they're USED. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:14pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» It's my understanding that leather is basically a by-product of the beef. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:15pm) «lawrence» oh, ok. I thought I remember seeing something about some animal where they don't use all of it... (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:15pm) «nate...» lawrence: yeah.... seals. :P (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:16pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» Chrissy: Oh? I don't really wanna talk about that, but that's interesting. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:16pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» But, on the other hand, the reason behind the seal-hunting is population control, isn't it? I'd rather we get use of the seal's fur than it starve to death... (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:17pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» Yeah, I'll bet that was awful. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:17pm) «nate...» "they call 'em fingers.. but ... I never see 'em fing! Oh.... there they go.... " (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:17pm) «lawrence» I think it's probably extremely hard to go through life and not use anything that comes from an animal in some way. you have to pay really close attention to absolutely everything you buy... (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:18pm) «nate...» yes, well.. we DO have angsty melodramatic posts. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:18pm) «nate...» :P (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:18pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» Odd. I watch a lot of IFC, and i've never seen that one. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:19pm) «lawrence» yeah. and never mind the effect that things like logging have on animal populations... (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:19pm) «lawrence» someone who is that pro-animal should also not use any paper or wood products. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:19pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» Well, aswith anything, you need to draw a line somewhere, Lawrence. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:20pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» CHrissy: Oh! I think I've seen that...but I think I got disturbed by the people talking about their pets and changed the channel. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:20pm) «lawrence» Michael - but that's the problem... a lot of people don't draw the line. or think they aren't drawing the line. if they're going to make a claim, they should be prepared to live up to that claim. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:21pm) «nate...» lawrence: why? why should you hold them to some standard? (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:21pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» I mean, every action has an effect on *something*. You just need to decide what level of effect is too much. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:21pm) «lawrence» I'm not saying I should. just that if you say you will or won't do something, you should actually do or not do that thing. I don't think that's really holding anyone to a standard other than non-hypocrisy. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:22pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» Enhh. Why should anyone be forced to proclaim some creed? (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:22pm) «nate...» exactly. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:22pm) «lawrence» I never said they should, Michael. but if they do.... (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:22pm) «nate...» well, sure... if they call you evil for eating meat, and they wear leather shoes, yes.. they're a hypocrite... (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:23pm) «lawrence» basically, if you don't say anything about your beliefs, you can't really be a hypocrite with your actions, because you haven't stated that your actions will follow a certain belief. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:23pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» For example, I am against the dissection of frogs in middle school science classes. But I still eat meat and wear leather... (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:23pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» That's where I draw the line. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:23pm) «lawrence» Michael - on what grounds are you against dissecting frogs? (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:24pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» I have yet to meet a vegetarian who tries to force me into doing abything... Trys to educate me, yeah... (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:24pm) «lawrence» I think I can say the same, but some vegetarians have been a little more... forceful... than others. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:24pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» Lawrence: I think it's silly and worthless. There are computer models, etc. which can do a much better job of explaining anatomy than dissecting a frog. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:25pm) «lawrence» I haven't had anyone throw my dinner away, though. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:25pm) «lawrence» Michael - yes, and without the room for error like in actual dissection. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:26pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» Heh. I think we can chalk that up to "people are assholes." (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:26pm) «nate...» indeed (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:26pm) «Michael (foof) Maki» room for error? (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:26pm) «lawrence» well, if you're dissecting something, you can screw up. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:26pm) «nate...» I've met plenty of vegetarians/vegans who held it against me that I eat meat. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:26pm) «lawrence» if you're looking at a computer model, you can't. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:26pm) «nate...» But... then.... I went to a hippie-populated college. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:27pm) «nate...» but... I find that as bad as people who tell me I'm "going to hell" when I make jokes about "god" or "jesus" or whatever. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:28pm) «lawrence» well, yeah. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:28pm) «nate...» wohoo! (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:29pm) «nate...» and... as I've always said... if god is what the catholics would have me believe, I'd rather go to hell. (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:30pm) «nate...» :) (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:30pm) «nate...» or wait... is a catholic a christian, or is a christian a catholic? (Feb 5, 2003 @ 6:31pm) « Previous 100 entries | Next 100 entries »
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