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«beth-pseudocanuck!» but it wouldn't. do you know how much better an appreciation i have for english and its nuances and quirks and uniqueness because i'm also fluent in french? there are cultural institutions and ideologies EMBEDDED in each culture's language. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:28pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» (wow, michael... you said your spirit misses you.) (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:29pm)
«nate...» right... but you see, that's because you're interested in studying languages. The majority of people are not. And this would enable them to not be left out of universal communication. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:29pm)
«lawrence» si vous �tiez une pomme de terre, qui on vous serait? (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:30pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Beth: Heh. That's how Babelfish translated "Of all the things I've lost in life, I miss my mind the most." :-) (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:30pm)
«nate...» The average person can only communicate with one language, which severely limits their ability to communicate with the world as a whole. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:30pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» i know--that just proves my point that you need to learn a language for yourself. the nuances will forever elude ANY form of automated translation. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:31pm)
«Gordondon son of Ethelred» I know spoken fortran (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:31pm)
«nate...» imagine a world where everyone could understand each other! It would be an amazing thing. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:31pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Well, yeah, the nuances will evade automated translation. They elude human translation. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:32pm)
«sheryls» o man. that's fun. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:32pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» beth vs. the wall...film at 11. ;-) (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:32pm)
«lawrence» quelle est la diff�rence entre un canard? (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:32pm)
«Andrea Krause» ducky what what? (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:33pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» that link is very humorous, but honestly, it scares me. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:33pm)
«nate...» oo.. that's my favorite dish! (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:33pm)
«nate...» what link, beth? (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:34pm)
«Gordondon son of Ethelred» Gordon can't say "Huzzah" kisses the hands of Andrea and Sheryl (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:34pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» http://www.tashian.com/multibabel/ (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:35pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» It *scares* you?! (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:35pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Interestingly enough, the phrase "Why a duck" made it through unscathed. It's clearly a Marxist plot. :-) (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:35pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» yes. because as business rely more and more on automated translation, even server-based translation, those are the kinds of translations we will get. it corrupts and disrespects ALL languages and cultures. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:35pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» server-based translation (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:36pm)
«lawrence» no, because it's only meant to be a guide. if you use babelfish properly, you get its translation, and then you refine it. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:36pm)
«lawrence» the multibabel thing is just silly. it's not meant to actually translate anything. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:36pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» but people don't do that. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:36pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Being a tad melodramatic, don't you think? (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:36pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» oh i know re: multi (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:36pm)
«lawrence» that's not a problem with babelfish, it's a problem with people. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:36pm)
«lawrence» and it will always be a problem with people - they're lazy. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:37pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» this is my cause. language and communication. my interest, my passion, my cause. save culture! save communication! save interaction between the two! (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:37pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» but hey, it got a good conversation going. :) (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:38pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» and on that note, i will leave you all...off to class. unfortunately not a communication class. that would've been too appropriate. :) (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:38pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Speaking as one who habitually charges against windmills, I think you're being silly. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:39pm)
«nate...» And, ironically, two parts of beth's cause are at odds with each other.... namely: "save culture" and "save communication". (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:50pm)
«nate...» saving culture is fine.... but in order to advance our ability to communicate as a species, we need to constantly evolve our language and ability to communicate. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:50pm)
«nate...» and evolving our language involves making it consistant and clear. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:51pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» beth, biding time is going to work on this and have a written defense soon...there are some misinterpretations going on here...i will explain myself, but not now, as i REALLY have to run to class now....i *DO* lov (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:52pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» (also, i loooove the fact that i finally have friends intelligent enough to have these conversations with! :)) (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:52pm)
«nate...» ditto! :) I love discussing this kind of thing. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:52pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» *hugs* (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:52pm)
«nate...» *hugs back* enjoy class! (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:53pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» (oh, that cut off--it said "i *DO* love you all!!!") (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:53pm)
«Kevin - King of WiFi» hey everyone (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:54pm)
«nate...» yo kevin (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:58pm)
«nate...» how do? (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:58pm)
«Kevin - King of WiFi» pretty meh (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:58pm)
«Kevin - King of WiFi» you? (Sep 23, 2002 @ 2:58pm)
«nate...» about the same. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:02pm)
«Kevin - King of WiFi» im breaking up with my GF today (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:02pm)
«Kevin - King of WiFi» :0/ (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:03pm)
«nate...» ick! why? (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:06pm)
«sheryls» ergh, keviiin (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:09pm)
«sheryls» goon. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:09pm)
«nate...» goon? (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:09pm)
«sheryls» yeah. poof! he's a goon. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:09pm)
«nate...» why did you make kevin a goon? (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:10pm)
«sheryls» Caffiene Free Diet Pepsi is far superior to Caffiene Free Diet Coke. imho. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:10pm)
«sheryls» for breaking up with Caroline (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:10pm)
«nate...» I think caffiene free soda kinda misses the point. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:11pm)
«sheryls» well (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:11pm)
«nate...» soda is to get sugar and caffiene into your system, period. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:11pm)
«sheryls» i cant have sugar on my diet, and i cant have caffiene with my anxiety problems - so. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:11pm)
«sheryls» if i want to drink something sweet at all, it's either crystal light (blech!) or diet caffiene free soda. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:11pm)
«nate...» and... why is he a goon for that? I mean, if it's for a valid reason, would it be better for him to lie to her and say he still wants to be in a relationship? (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:12pm)
«nate...» naw, drink Jolt. ;) (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:12pm)
«emilie is CRANKY» oi, oi, saveloy ;) (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:13pm)
«Kevin - King of WiFi» because im a bad boyfriend (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:15pm)
«nate...» you are? (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:16pm)
«lawrence» hrm. actually, some of us drink soda for the taste, because the alternatives, like water, are boring. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:16pm)
«nate...» mmm... water.... (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:16pm)
«lawrence» I just hate the popular implication that diet soda is only for people trying to lose weight, and that the term "diet" has a stigma to it. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:18pm)
«nate...» well, personally, I just hate the taste of nutrasweet..... i makes me gag. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:18pm)
«lawrence» some of us have no choice. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:19pm)
«nate...» and... it's not all that surprising that something labeled "diet" is thought to be for someone who is dieting. :P (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:19pm)
«lawrence» my problem is that despite being sugar free, the diet sodas have NEVER been advertised as such. it's always "0 calories!" or "1 calorie" which is one of the reasons I despise Pepsi and refuse to drink any of their products. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:20pm)
«lawrence» it took me a long time to find out that Pepsi One was, in fact, sugar free. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:21pm)
«nate...» *nods* (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:21pm)
«lawrence» and their ad campaign was just awful - "With a taste too good to be called diet." bastards. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:21pm)
«nate...» I hate marketing in general. :P (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:22pm)
«lawrence» well, yes, me too. :) (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:22pm)
«lawrence» well, consumer marketing. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:22pm)
«Andrea Krause» I'd be so screwed if I was diabetic (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:22pm)
«lawrence» I can't claim to hate all marketing because corporate marketing means I still have a job. :) (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:22pm)
«lawrence» if we didn't have a sales/marketing department, we would run out of money and they'd fire all the developers probably. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:22pm)
«sheryls» i think more than anything the taste of caffine free diet coke surprised me - because i'd been drinking the pepsi from home, and i have the coke at work. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:23pm)
«sheryls» and it was like "ergh, that's not the taste i was expecting at all." (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:23pm)
«lawrence» yeah, caffeine fre diet coke is nasty. for some reason it tastes *different* from regular diet coke. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:23pm)
«sheryls» yeah. but i cant have caffiene either. and i'm tired of diet 7up. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:23pm)
«lawrence» diet sprite. diet root beer... (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:24pm)
«sheryls» but diet cream soda (the caffiene free variety)...argh, so good. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:24pm)
«sheryls» sprite, 7up, same to me. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:24pm)
«lawrence» whoa. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:24pm)
«sheryls» i'm tired of Limon - as for root bear, that's a once in a while thing (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:24pm)
«lawrence» see, I like sprite. I don't like 7up. the flavour is just... wrong. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:24pm)
«lawrence» 7up reminds me too much of mountain dew, which I find horrible. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:24pm)
«goovie is married!» 7up is evil. (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:24pm)
«lawrence» (but then again, I think mountain dew is like beer - you don't drink it for the taste :) (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:25pm)
«emilie is CRANKY» mmmmmmicedtea :) (Sep 23, 2002 @ 3:25pm)

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