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«beth-pseudocanuck!» what about loving men? mmm. forget dem boys. psh. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 4:59pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» eeeeeeeeeeeew (in general...there are definitely exceptions) (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:01pm)
«John J. Ryan» I think the term is Frat Boy. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:01pm)
«John J. Ryan» Frat Boy for a reason :) (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:01pm)
«meh» men...bois....is there a difference??? (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:01pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» heck yes (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:01pm)
«lawrence» and it's a broad sweeping generalization that totally isn't true, either. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:02pm)
«lawrence» well, ok, it's somewhat true. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:02pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» way to repeat what i said, punk :-p (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:02pm)
«lawrence» oh, I didn't see that. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:03pm)
«lawrence» sorry. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:03pm)
«John J. Ryan» LOL! (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:03pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» muahahahaha. the abuse begins. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:03pm)
«lawrence» (whenever someone says stuff about fraternities, I feel the need to defend myself, even though my whole fraternity was the exception) (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:03pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» what were you? (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:03pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» lolol (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:05pm)
«John J. Ryan» Tappa Kegga Brew :) (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:05pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» you were a frat boy, too, john. no mocking. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:06pm)
«John J. Ryan» Ieta Pi (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:06pm)
«lawrence» /me was APO (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:07pm)
«John J. Ryan» I was in a co-ed music fraternity! Doesn't count! (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:07pm)
«lawrence» yeah, if it's co-ed it doesn't count. :) (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:07pm)
«lawrence» that's why APO is an exception, too (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:07pm)
«John J. Ryan» It's the social ones that have the stereotype (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:07pm)
«lawrence» yes, but people seem to forget that frat is short for fraternity, not "social fraternity" (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:08pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» How on *earth* can a fraternity be co-ed? (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:08pm)
«lawrence» by admitting both men and women. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:09pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» lol they're actually more common than you'd think (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:09pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» there's TBS, too (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:09pm)
«John J. Ryan» Simple. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:10pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» which is actually a co-ed sorority (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:10pm)
«John J. Ryan» Tau Beta Sigma, the sisiter sorority to Kappa Kappa Psi (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:10pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» It was my understanding that fraternities are, by definition, male-only. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:10pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» (*I* knew that ;-)) (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:10pm)
«John J. Ryan» Before both went co-ed (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:10pm)
«John J. Ryan» My music fraternity broke off from KKPsi, before itw as co-ed (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:10pm)
«lawrence» well, APO was all male until the 1970s. and for whatever reason, some chapters decided to start admitting women. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:10pm)
«lawrence» and then they got the national office to accept it. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:11pm)
«John J. Ryan» We wanted to go co-ed when the college went co-ed (Rutgers College was all-male until 1972) (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:11pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» I wasn't confused by the logistics... More the linguistics. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:11pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» it's true that the word derives from "frat�rnit�", brotherhood, just as sorority derives for "soeur", or sister (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:11pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» from* (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:11pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» It's like a co-ed Women's College. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:11pm)
«John J. Ryan» KKPsi said, "Nope, you're not doing that", so we broke off (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:11pm)
«lawrence» but they wouldn't force any all male chapters to become co-ed. only new chapters had to be, and chapters that already were co-ed had to stay so. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:11pm)
«lawrence» (still a major issue for some of the members) (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:12pm)
«John J. Ryan» Now, KKPsi is co-ed, but our breakaway still exists, and our chapter is larger than most KKPsi chapters :) (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:12pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» but kksilly is really awesome now, so it's ok :) (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:12pm)
«John J. Ryan» Mu Upsilon Alpha (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:13pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» I'm not arguing that it's not *possible* to have a co-ed fraternity. I'm arguing that it goes against the traditional definition of "fraternity" (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:14pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» there are also social frats that can be an exception to the stereotype (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:14pm)
«John J. Ryan» But as always, the rowdy ones tarnish it for everyone else. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:15pm)
«John J. Ryan» Not to mention Animal House. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:15pm)
«lawrence» there are a lot of things that go against traditional definitions. people carrying guns seems to go against the traditional definition of "peace" but it happens. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:15pm)
«John J. Ryan» oO Wouldn't be great if everyone had a gun? Oo (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:16pm)
«John J. Ryan» 10 minutes until i can go home! (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:18pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Whatever, I guess. Just playing devil's advocate. I honestly couldn't give a shit either way. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:20pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» one last thought: (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:25pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» go delta tau delta! :) (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:25pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» at least the ones at AU (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:25pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» have a good night, john (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:26pm)
«John J. Ryan» See you in a couple of hours, heh (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:27pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» lol probably (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:32pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» does anyone know of a good, simple, FREE program to chop up mp3 files? ie, cut out jibba jabba at the beginning and applause at the end? (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:36pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» CoolEdit is free for awhile. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:48pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» (and I like it a lot) (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:48pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» and where might i obtain said program? (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:52pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» umm...cooledit.com, I think. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:55pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» mercy buckets, mike(no y) (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:55pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» or was it michael? (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:55pm)
«Andrea Krause» michael :) (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:57pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» hrm. i don't see anything about a demo... (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:58pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» (sorry, *michael*. hehe.) (Aug 7, 2002 @ 5:58pm)
«beth-pseudocanuck!» got it. thanks mucho. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 6:05pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» /me creeps quietly around the wall, trying to not wake anyone. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 6:49pm)
«renita» gah! stop stomping around!! (Aug 7, 2002 @ 6:50pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» /me rattles pans in the kitchen. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 6:52pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» I'll show you some BLOODY stomping! ;-D (Aug 7, 2002 @ 6:52pm)
«jaye» eep! (Aug 7, 2002 @ 6:58pm)
«renita» *slams cupboard door* (Aug 7, 2002 @ 6:59pm)
«jaye» /me cries. (Aug 7, 2002 @ 6:59pm)
«renita» I'll give you something to cry about! (Aug 7, 2002 @ 7:00pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» See, Renita! Look what you've done! (Aug 7, 2002 @ 7:01pm)
«jaye» /me flees to her room to read (Aug 7, 2002 @ 7:01pm)
«jaye» lalalala i can't hear you (Aug 7, 2002 @ 7:01pm)
«renita» <whispers> yes... fhdc has now truly turned into the perfect dysfunctional family. </whisper (Aug 7, 2002 @ 7:01pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» heh. Wow. *that* was a little too comfortable. :-) (Aug 7, 2002 @ 7:01pm)
«renita» look what I"VE done? You started this, Michael! (Aug 7, 2002 @ 7:02pm)
«jaye» lalalala *fingers in ears* lalala (Aug 7, 2002 @ 7:02pm)
«renita» michael.. yah. just a wee bit... (Aug 7, 2002 @ 7:03pm)
«renita» it's okay jaci.. I think it's all over now... (Aug 7, 2002 @ 7:04pm)
«Michael (foof) Maki» I only yell because I love you. ;-> (Aug 7, 2002 @ 7:04pm)

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