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«nate...» yeah, which is BS. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:23am)
«goovie is married!» /me notes, for no other reason than to show off, that the movie was heidi :) (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:24am)
«nate...» "professional" sports, as a whole, are just so out of control. Look at the whole baseball thing! they go on strike for more money... (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:24am)
«nate...» They're already making millions of dollars for playing a GAME for chrissakes. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:24am)
«Misch» *groans* I'll be back. Doing real work. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:25am)
«lawrence» yeah. that's insane. the problem is the union. people who make that much don't need to be unionized. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:25am)
«lawrence» unions exist to protect *labourers*, not athletes. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:25am)
«Michael (foof) Maki» <shrug> it's just a pity that there are so many people in the world who aren't into what I like. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:25am)
«nate...» exactly. athletes should be making enough money to live on.... not more money than, say, factory workers. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:26am)
«A girl named Becca» wow....labor....with a "u"....how british... (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:26am)
«A girl named Becca» :) (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:26am)
«lawrence» if MLB were to reduce everyone's salary by 50%, the lowest paid players would still make over $200k. but they'd be able to cut ticket prices, or .... (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:27am)
«nate...» then again, UPS workers also went on strike for more money, and the fuckers make $18 an hour for flinging boxes around.... when people doing skilled labor, (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:27am)
«lawrence» pay the stadium employees better, and so on... (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:27am)
«nate...» such as cable modem techs here.... only make $13 an hour or so. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:27am)
«Michael (foof) Maki» <shrug> define "enough money to live on" (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:27am)
«lawrence» nothing wrong with british spelling. :) (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:27am)
«A girl named Becca» i didn't say there was anything wrong with it (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:28am)
«A girl named Becca» it's just different from what i usually see and seemed to merit notic (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:28am)
«A girl named Becca» e (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:28am)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Have you *tried* "flinging boxes around"? It's hard as hell. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:28am)
«nate...» michael: I dunno... say $30k a year, $40k tops. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:28am)
«lawrence» oh, ok. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:28am)
«nate...» michael: sure have. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:28am)
«Michael (foof) Maki» ...and if they have it so much better than you, hie you hence to UPS and put in an application. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:29am)
«A girl named Becca» are they hiring for the summer? ;) (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:29am)
«nate...» Believe me, I've considered it... but they're union.. and I refuse to work in a union house. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:29am)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Uhm...okay. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:30am)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Becca: UPS ia *always* hiring... problem is that they hire mostly part-time (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:30am)
«A girl named Becca» /me was kidding (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:30am)
«A girl named Becca» (mostly) (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:31am)
«Michael (foof) Maki» ...and who says that "skilled labor" has any more value than unskilled labor? (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:31am)
«Michael (foof) Maki» clearly, according to the economy (in some cases, at least) that's not true. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:31am)
«A girl named Becca» skilled laborers, duh (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:31am)
«A girl named Becca» who else would say it? (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:32am)
«A girl named Becca» but i'll stop being a pain in the butt and go take a shower now :) (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:32am)
«nate...» it doesn't necessarily have more value... not in the sense of it's importance... but due to the amount of training and learning costs involved, it should be (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:32am)
«nate...» compensated at a higher rate. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:32am)
«Michael (foof) Maki» In our economy, workers get paid what they're worth. Period. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:32am)
«nate...» err.. its (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:32am)
«lawrence» that's not at all true. managers are worthless and get paid way more than developers. :) (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:33am)
«nate...» heh... good example. :) (though, not ALL managers are worthless..) (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:34am)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Heh. Well... let me amend that to "perceived to be worth" :-) (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:34am)
«Michael (foof) Maki» Yeah... I have had WAY more than my fair share of utterly WORTHLESS managers. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:35am)
«nate...» *laughs* (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:35am)
«lawrence» I suppose like with consumer products, they're worth only what someone is willing to pay. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:35am)
«lawrence» so in the case of athletes, they're worth whatever a team will pay to make sure that player plays for their team. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:36am)
«lawrence» which is why salary caps are a Good Thing. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:36am)
«John J. Ryan» Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism folks. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:37am)
«nate...» yeah, guess you have to take the good with the incredibly stupid. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:38am)
«Kate Leahy» /me saw ben folds last night! (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:39am)
«lawrence» excellent! Ben Folds *rocks* live. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:39am)
«jaye» ooh! lucky! (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:39am)
«lawrence» /me saw him last Saturday, and will again on the 12th. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:39am)
«Kate Leahy» yes. it was unreal. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:40am)
«lawrence» I assume the audience is usually the same at the shows - was like... *everyone* singing along to every song? :) (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:40am)
«John J. Ryan» I'll be seeing him on the 13th (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:41am)
«John J. Ryan» IF everyone is singing along to every song, I'm going to feel SO left out (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:41am)
«Kate Leahy» i didn't think "rockin' the suburbs" would sound as good as it did on solo piano (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:41am)
«John J. Ryan» Kate, how soon did people line up outside the venue? (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:41am)
«lawrence» heh. John - in Pittsburgh, I got there an hour and a half early, and there was already a huge line. people had been there since 2. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:42am)
«Kate Leahy» yeah. every song. so brush up :). (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:42am)
«lawrence» yeah, that was the cool thing - he made all the songs sound really good, despite the lack of a backup band. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:42am)
«lawrence» every single one! including One Down. and the impromptu filk of Piano Man. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:43am)
«John J. Ryan» What day of the weke was Pittsburgh? (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:43am)
«lawrence» Saturday. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:44am)
«Kate Leahy» yeah. there are some hard core people who get there super, super early. but it depends on the venue. at the tla, we could just walk pretty close (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:44am)
«lawrence» the other cool thing for me was that M (formerly Metropol) has the bars in the balcony, and you have to be 21 to get upstairs. most of the audience was under (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:45am)
«lawrence» 21, so the upstairs was very not crowded, which was nice. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:45am)
«John J. Ryan» Saturday would explain why people lined up 6 hours early. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:45am)
«Kate Leahy» he did "ultimate sacrifice." did he conduct the audience in background vocals in pburgh> (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:45am)
«lawrence» yup. that was fun. he was like "You all have really good voices. I want to hear you more." (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:46am)
«John J. Ryan» My show is at the Roseland, which reserves their balcony for VIPs (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:46am)
«lawrence» and then made the left half of the room saxes and the right half trumpets. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:46am)
«John J. Ryan» Well, from what you're saying about the show, I'm going to come away the show wanting EVERYTHING of his (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:47am)
«lawrence» and assigned three parts for Not the Same. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:47am)
«goovie is married!» ew, not the same :) (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:47am)
«lawrence» bagel. harem. smurf. clowns. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:48am)
«goovie is married!» the chicago show in march was incredible. i can't wait to see him there again in a few more weeks. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:48am)
«lawrence» Not the Same is a good song. and the intro is almost the same as Happier. :) (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:48am)
«goovie is married!» so he should do happier instead. at least that's a good song :) (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:49am)
«lawrence» because everything on Rockin' the Suburbs is actually a different song. :) (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:49am)
«John J. Ryan» I love everything from Suburbs (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:49am)
«Kate Leahy» yeah, you will. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:49am)
«John J. Ryan» Though I worry about dealing with all those kids. Almost like the line of kids I saw waiting outside MSG for Blink-182/Green Day... (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:51am)
«John J. Ryan» Ah, those kids don't know what they are missing.... (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:51am)
«lawrence» well, the BF kids are different. there were high school kids in front of me in line in Pittsburgh, but they were talking about Hitchhiker's Guide, Red Dwarf, (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:52am)
«lawrence» Princess Bride, and all sorts of other cool things. :) (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:52am)
«Kate Leahy» yeah . . . it was a really great audience (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:52am)
«goovie is married!» *shrug* i didn't find that to be a problem. we met some really cool people in line. and it's not like the audience is obnoxious, unlike some i could mention (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:52am)
«goovie is married!» *cough*gbs*cough*jlc*cough*tmbg*cough* (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:52am)
«lawrence» Carey - I dunno. there were some people there last week who were about as scary as the JLC kids. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:53am)
«Kate Leahy» he started to attract an annoying high school crowd when "brick" was big, but the audience here was awesome (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:53am)
«lawrence» although no one stared at him quite as intently as that girl was staring at Ward at the show in Baltimore. *that* was creepy. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:53am)
«Kate Leahy» yeah. the JLC audience is trying :). i thought the crowd last night was *really* diverse. huge age range. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:53am)
«Kate Leahy» mmm. ward. (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:54am)
«goovie is married!» seriously? the chicago audience was mainly geeks. of course, we were up in the balcony. the few teenyboppers/"brick" fratboys there were downstairs and (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:54am)
«goovie is married!» ...like, under control (Jun 5, 2002 @ 11:54am)

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