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«Paul D. Beasi» you can be pro choice, pro life, or pro whatever (Jun 1, 2002 @ 11:58pm) «Kate Leahy» to be quite honest, that kind of logic could put every person here in a lot of moral trouble. maybe it does anyway. (Jun 1, 2002 @ 11:58pm) «Paul D. Beasi» my original point was that it was no shame that people stayed away because of politics (Jun 1, 2002 @ 11:59pm) «Paul D. Beasi» i admire the people who stayed away from supporting something they didn't believe in (Jun 1, 2002 @ 11:59pm) «Paul D. Beasi» whether or not it was something i believe in (Jun 1, 2002 @ 11:59pm) «Kate Leahy» and my point was that there's a whole lot more to being pro-choice than buying concert tickets and more to being pro-life than not buying them. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:00am) «Paul D. Beasi» it has nothing to even do with money, really (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:00am) «Paul D. Beasi» just symbolism. it was a pro-choice rally with bands playing (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:01am) «Melinda J. Beasi» i think you guys are seriously misreading his point, which seems pretty much to be that he admires people who stand up for what they believe in. period. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:01am) «Kate Leahy» it's a matter of perspective. if you think that not going to a concert is an act of real testament to belief, that's fine. i just don't think it's a big deal. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:01am) «Melinda J. Beasi» don't you? (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:01am) «bored, bored, bored....» /me wasn't there, so has no right to say anything, but...at least the band was honest about their intentions,were they not? So people could make their own (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:02am) «bored, bored, bored....» decisions based on personal ethics (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:02am) «Kate Leahy» well, i guess. though he made a pretty snarky comment about me caring more about a band than my beliefs. aside from that, sure. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:02am) «Paul D. Beasi» absolutely (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:02am) «Melinda J. Beasi» i think giving money to a cause and going out in public to support it, even in a small way, is an admirable act. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:02am) «I can see the bunny» I would agree with that Melinda... (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:03am) «Melinda J. Beasi» one man's snark is another man's honest opinion. or something like that. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:03am) «Kate Leahy» lots of things are admirable. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:04am) «I can see the bunny» actually wish I'd been a concert goer then instead of a hermit... (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:04am) «Kate Leahy» people do admirable things every day. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:04am) «Melinda J. Beasi» me too, leanne. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:04am) «Kate Leahy» well, no. but being a good parent is. so is being a good teacher. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:05am) «Paul D. Beasi» i agree, stealing isn't admirable. and anyone who snuck into the show and didn't pay was very unadmirable (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:05am) «Kate Leahy» you don't have to write a check or carry a sign to be a person worth admiration. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:05am) «Paul D. Beasi» way more so than paying but not honestly believing the cause (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:05am) «Paul D. Beasi» and i know people who snuck it (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:05am) «Melinda J. Beasi» i'm not following the point here. paul said the people who stayed away from the concert because of beliefs were to be respected for standing up for what they (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:06am) «Kate Leahy» paul said other things too (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:06am) «Melinda J. Beasi» believe in- he didn't say that nobody else should be respected, and that no other acts were admirable, and certainly neither did i. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:06am) «Kate Leahy» like, that people who went and didn't support the cause were hypocrits (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:06am) «Melinda J. Beasi» he didn't say anyone was wrong to go. he said he thought that people who strongly opposed the cause and went out and supported it anyway with their money and (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:08am) «Kate Leahy» and if my personal convictions informed my actions to the extent paul would suggest, i would boycott a whole lot of things. like the united states governemtn. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:08am) «Melinda J. Beasi» time were hypocritical. and i kinda don't see the error there. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:08am) «bored, bored, bored....» OK - since we're getting all philosophical here...I'll throw this out for discussion: Is there such a thing as true altruism? (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:09am) «Kate Leahy» heh (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:09am) «Kate Leahy» that's one of my favorite friends episodes (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:09am) «Kate Leahy» "i will not bring a child into a world where joey is right!" (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:09am) «Paul D. Beasi» yeah, but by law we have to give them money. if the government ran on donations i doubt either one of us would be ponying up any cash :) (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:09am) «Paul D. Beasi» similarly, if moxy fruvous held a concert with all of the proceeds going to the "bomb afghanstand" fund, i wouldn't be attending (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:10am) «Melinda J. Beasi» i'm thinking his point was, if you're saying that you went because you didn't care... well, then i guess you didn't care. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:10am) «Paul D. Beasi» (not that i think they would do this) :) (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:10am) «Kate Leahy» well, define "have to." plenty of people don't pay taxes. they go to jail, but that's a small price to pay for your beliefs. thoreau is considered a hero for (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:10am) «Kate Leahy» it. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:11am) «Paul D. Beasi» melinda's point is right... if you went because you didn't care... you didn't care (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:11am) «Kate Leahy» hell, i'm working for a volunteer organization next year that encourages its volunteers to default on government student loans as civil disobedience. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:12am) «Paul D. Beasi» i wasn't saying that you shouldn't be allowed to go... you should be allowed to attend whatever you want no matter (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:12am) «Fr�Bill» went to where? (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:12am) «Paul D. Beasi» what your beliefs. but be honest with yourself. you chose what was more importnat (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:12am) «Kate Leahy» lisa -- by the way, i don't really think so, but i don't think that's bad. i think people are hardwired to derive some personal emotional benefit from . . . (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:12am) «Kate Leahy» . . . doing good (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:13am) «Fr�Bill» you can't do that anymore (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:13am) «Kate Leahy» chrissy -- yeah. like people who go on unemployment for the summer and resume their seasonal job again in the fall. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:13am) «Paul D. Beasi» right.. though i'm not sure what the point there is, because you said you don't have an opinion either way (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:14am) «Paul D. Beasi» or did i misread? (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:14am) «I can see the bunny» I would tend to agree with Paul - if the cause was something I didn't believe in, I doubt I would attend a show no matter who was giving it... (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:14am) «Kate Leahy» anyway. i didn't mean for this to get contentious . . . but yeah. that weekend seeing my favorite band was more important to me than making a statement. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:15am) «Paul D. Beasi» i respect you for that, leanne :) (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:15am) «I can see the bunny» (and I'm slow on commenting tonight too - my brain only has one speed tonight *g*) (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:15am) «Melinda J. Beasi» kate, that was his entire point. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:15am) «Kate Leahy» today things would be different. i don't think i would go. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:15am) «Kate Leahy» melinda, he called me a hypocrite. i don't appreciate it, because i don't think it's that catastrophic. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:16am) «Kate Leahy» lisa . . . any more philosophical inquiries? :) (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:18am) «bored, bored, bored....» Kate: nope. Just thought I'd throw that out. I'm enjoying this discussion though, I must say (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:19am) «Kate Leahy» well, yeah. as a seminarian friend of mine said the other day, "i do a lot of things i don't agree with. i'm going to hell, though." (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:20am) «Melinda J. Beasi» i think we're all hypocrites sometime or another, my husband and i included. but i agree with him on this. (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:20am) «Kate Leahy» but, yeah, it's a great friends episode. "i let a bee sting me." "why?" "so he could look tough in front of his bee friends." (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:21am) «Melinda J. Beasi» (grammer fix: my husband and me") (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:21am) «Kate Leahy» "you know he probably died, right?" (Jun 2, 2002 @ 12:21am) « Previous 100 entries | Next 100 entries »
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