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«nate...» even using ebay. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:37pm) «meh» Talcott: Oh. That. Didn't take as firmly as I'd wanted, though I'm closer to normal. I'm planning on skipping my sleep cycle again on Wednesday, probably. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:37pm) «nate...» it's still at least twice the money. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:37pm) «lawrence» you get what you pay for. enjoy your money pit of a PC. :) (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:37pm) «nate...» kay... *shrugs* my box has been up and running as long as your mac, i'd bet. ;) (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:38pm) «Talcott» so right now you'd be on "college student"? (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:38pm) «nate...» there's a reason that the people who say, "no no! You don't understand.. mac's don't suck! You haven't tried OSX!" (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:38pm) «nate...» can be easily compared to those who say the same about XP on a pc. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:38pm) «nate...» it was a massive leap forward. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:38pm) «lawrence» true, they both were. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:39pm) «lawrence» I'll definitely grant that. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:39pm) «nate...» but. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:39pm) «lawrence» but then again, Linux for PC has been around for a very long time, and has been very stable for that time. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:39pm) «nate...» gah! (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:39pm) «nate...» why do I keep talking???? forum! forum! (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:39pm) «lawrence» wall! wall! (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:39pm) «meh» Talcott: *L* Yeah. Now I'm probably closer to "college student" than "unemployed slacker" -- still not quite the realm of "40 hrs in 4 days" sleep patterning. ;-) (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:39pm) «lawrence» it's like irc. people can keep multiple conversations straight. :) (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:40pm) «nate...» (and yes, linux is REALLY stable... and.... almost completely useless for anything graphical or multimedia-based) (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:40pm) «Talcott» <naive>But that's all in a car. How can that be work? ;) </naive> (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:40pm) «lawrence» graphical, nate? the gimp is only vastly superior to photoshop.... and free. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:40pm) «lawrence» (of course, the downside is that it's called "the gimp") (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:41pm) «Josh Woodward» wow.. a bare-bones 2ghz / 1GB ram / 120GB hard drive is $312 shipped (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:41pm) «nate...» nate-talcott's1stprophet laughs (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:41pm) «lawrence» ... you get what you pay for ... (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:42pm) «nate...» the point is, me upgrading my pc is a TON more bang for the buck than an all-new mac. you have to admit that. It's not opinion, it's fact. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:42pm) «Josh Woodward» so if i pay 5 times that for a similar mac, do i get 5 times the performance? ;-) (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:42pm) «nate...» as I keep saying, I'd love a mac... I really would... I'd totally switch to that platform.... but.. I'm not rich! (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:42pm) «lawrence» no it's not fact - how can you prove that you're getting more for your money? if my $2k mac lasts me 5 years, can you honestly say that in those 5 years you will have spent less than $2k on PCs? (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:42pm) «Josh Woodward» i haven't spent $2k on PCs in the last 10 years.. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:43pm) «iPauley» if I can't afford on my budget to spend ANY money on pc's, yes. :-P (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:43pm) «nate...» do you want me to send you screenshots from quicken and money on how much I've spent on pcs in the last 5 years? (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:43pm) «lawrence» see, the problem is that it's a self fulfilling prophecy. you expect that the mac won't be worth it or affordable, or that you have to be "rich" to have a mac, so in your mind, it will always be. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:43pm) «nate...» no, that's not true at all. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:44pm) «nate...» you're not listening, lawrence. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:44pm) «Josh Woodward» i wouldn't personally want a mac even if i was given one. OSX's almost-unix is cheesy.. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:44pm) «nate...» As I keep saying... I am looking... daily.. while at work, on ebay and pricewatch and other sources, to find a mac that I can afford. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:44pm) «danced with Lazlo» racist dance is few tile likes building computers (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:45pm) «nate...» josh: no worse than the crap GUI's in linux. :P (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:45pm) «lawrence» I see that, Nate. and you seriously can't afford, say, a 2-year-old iMac? (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:45pm) «lawrence» or rather, that would cost twice as much as a PC? (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:45pm) «danced with Lazlo» racist dance is few tile likes her comp that she built with her friends for about 1k (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:45pm) «Josh Woodward» i love enlightenment. it does exactly what i want. i don't need a gui -- i need to do work, and i need a system to help me do work. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:45pm) «nate...» well, yeah, AND I like building my own machine. :) in fact, THAT would do it, completely. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:45pm) «lawrence» well, if you like building, then yeah, PC is the only option. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:46pm) «nate...» If I knew I could buy a mac... and upgrade, component by component, the way I do with my pcs.... I'd buy one today. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:46pm) «lawrence» I stopped building a while ago because it was nothing but trouble. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:46pm) «lawrence» ah... I hate upgrading component by component. causes too many problems. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:46pm) «danced with Lazlo» It's *fun*! (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:46pm) «lawrence» the only components I'm willing to swap out are drives. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:46pm) «nate...» lawrence: yes, a 2 year old imac would cost less than a 2 year old celeron emachine. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:46pm) «Josh Woodward» yeah, much better to upgrade by throwing your old system out and paying for a new one every time you need more speed ;-) (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:46pm) «lawrence» contrary to popular belief, macs are upgradable. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:47pm) «Talcott» I'd like to learn how to do it more. Right now I just sit behing Sheryl, look over her shoulder, and ask questions when she works on mine (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:47pm) «nate...» lawrence: that's another new thing.... and.... they still don't stretch as far in upgrades as pcs. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:47pm) «Talcott» (My computer over the past year has forced me to upgrade. The hard-drive caught fire, the power-source died, staples had $10 burners, my monitor died (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:48pm) «Talcott» all I need now are new sound/video cards, and a motherboard (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:48pm) «lawrence» I'm not so sure about that. the most frequently upgraded thing is the hard drive, and you can pretty much keep upgrading those as you need more space. speed is deceptive. 2GHz will be "fast enough" for a lot longer than most people will keep it. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:48pm) «Josh Woodward» yeah, fast CPUs aren't going to help most people. memory is where it's at. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:49pm) «lawrence» the problem is that people get drawn in by big numbers, and think "Uh oh, I've only got 2GHz, and now they're at 3. better upgrade." (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:49pm) «danced with Lazlo» mmmm.... i likes me some big HDs (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:49pm) «nate...» exactly.... but... we're not talking of the unwashed masses here, lawrence... we're talking about people who get the most out of every box they're running. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:50pm) «Josh Woodward» mmm.. me too :) mp3s are fun. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:50pm) «Talcott» ahem only 2ghz? I'm still under 1 (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:50pm) «lawrence» define "get the most out of." what do you use the machine for? (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:50pm) «Talcott» Hell, wasn't it only a year or two ago that 1ghz was though impossible? (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:50pm) «iPauley» I'm at 1.3, or whatever an Athlon XP1800+ actually runs. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:51pm) «lawrence» I mean, I have a 450MHz machine running my web server, and it does just fine. in fact, it does great. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:51pm) «nate...» as far as I'm concerned, lawrence, (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:51pm) «lawrence» (actually, 450 is probably even overkill for that) (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:51pm) «nate...» "get the most out of" means "use the components and cash invested as long as humanly possible. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:51pm) «iPauley» the 1800 is the game box, though -- I'm talking you you all on a 550 K6-2 (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:51pm) «lawrence» but at what point does it become impossible? when the parts break down? or when they're "too slow?" (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:52pm) «nate...» yeah, I'm running a 1.4 ath for my main box.... 800 for my secondary... PII400 for the third... and the laptop is a P266 running it's orginal install of 98. :D (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:52pm) «lawrence» aha! you have too many computers. sell a couple of them and buy a mac. :) (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:52pm) «nate...» the parts trickle down.... I replace in the top box.... that card moves down to the next box. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:53pm) «nate...» and I use all those boxes.... so I want to keep them running tip-top (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:53pm) «Talcott» oh yeah, I didn't mention my secondary computer. An old portable 386. Like what James Bond would have had. If Ed Wood wrote one of his movies (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:53pm) «nate...» and... lawrence: yeah, ask me what os's I have installed on them... ;) (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:53pm) «danced with Lazlo» what we do is when a machine becomes "obsolete" in our eyes, we rearrange things... (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:53pm) «nate...» gella: exactly (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:54pm) «Talcott» Mostly it's used so I can type up ideas in the living room. If it weren't 20lbs, I'd take it with me to the coffee shop though (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:54pm) «danced with Lazlo» we upgrade, take old stuff that still works but is too small or too slow, and we stick it in another machine that we use for other things (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:54pm) «ChrisChin is Getting Old» I still have a 486 33MHz that right now thinks it's 1983. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:54pm) «lawrence» it should know that it couldn't have existed then! :) (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:54pm) «nate...» chris: lol! that reminded me of my 486 dx4 100.... :) It's not hooked up to a monitor right now, but it is a part of the fam. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:55pm) «ChrisChin is Getting Old» hehe. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:55pm) «meh» I'm beginning to wish I was taping this; somehow I think I'd like to rewatch it again when not online too. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:55pm) «Talcott» Until my midway through my senior year of highschool ('99) the best computer in the house was a 386 (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:55pm) «Talcott» Lacy: What's on? (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:55pm) «nate...» talcott: same here. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:55pm) «meh» Miracles. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:55pm) «danced with Lazlo» Miracles? (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:55pm) «Talcott» ooh. I still need to see an ep of that. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:55pm) «ChrisChin is Getting Old» That computer went with me through 4 years of college and a year after that. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:55pm) «nate...» Went from a 386 DX40 in high school to a pentium 100 for college. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:55pm) «Talcott» I can't even begin to describe how excited I was when I found coppies of Commander Keen last year :D (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:56pm) «ChrisChin is Getting Old» I now have a PIII 1GHz Laptop. (Mar 31, 2003 @ 10:56pm) « Previous 100 entries | Next 100 entries »
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